Elias Graves Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 This just showed up at GC's website. $399. No other details. Anybody know if its real walnut or stained? EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Graves Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Ltd-Ed-1966-G400-Walnut-Electric-Guitar?sku=581895 Hmm. MF says all walnut. In the header it says oil finish, in the text it says poly????????????? EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebrand Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Walnut, just like the old Gibby Firebrand series from the early 80's? (Deluxe models were Mahogany). This SG has more bling though, LP style inlays, covered PUP's and inlaid logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Graves Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Yep. This may be the one. I've been wanting to replace my SG for a while now and this one looks good. I'm a sucker for walnut! EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgifntx Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Oh man, She is just some of that nice! Mighty fine choice Eli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoop Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 That is gorgeous. Do want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadedepi Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 This just showed up at GC's website. $399. No other details. Anybody know if its real walnut or stained? EG This thread prompted a little research on my part. Here's one comment I found about using Maple for guitar bodies. It would seem a buyer should play several for comparison. Also, the note on pickup changes would be a possible concern. Faded.... Walnut: A darker wood with Ash-like grains, but like mahogany, the density is uniform. It is harder and denser than Mahogany so the tone is brighter, but the open grains make for a complex midrange that seems to be compressed in some frequencies, but dynamic in others. There’s a nasal response to rhythms, while solo notes jump out. It has a lot of advantageous features of the other main guitar woods. It has a snappy attack and solid lows like Ash, but with smooth highs like Mahogany, and textured mids like Alder. The drawbacks are that it’s heavier, and more stubborn in its sound. It doesn’t respond to random pickup changes. The pickups have to be well suited to the guitar. A Walnut body will dictate the tonal signature of the guitar more than the other main woods. A heavy piece will dampen the mids to produce an overly nasal and lifeless sound, so it needs to be light and open grained enough to resonate the main guitar frequencies. Production notes: Again watch for heavy pieces. The extra weight adds nothing good to the sound except perhaps more sustain. But sustain is abundant in Walnut already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Arcadius Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Very, very nice axe Elias! GAS hiting once again... Ane nice research from fadedepi. We're in here to learn new things, among others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicidehummer Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Obviously just an Epiphone neck photoshopped onto a Faded SG body. An Epiphone would never be beveled like that or have the knobs that close to the correct positions. Also notice the Gibson Tune-O-Matic bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Obviously just an Epiphone neck photoshopped onto a Faded SG body. An Epiphone would never be beveled like that or have the knobs that close to the correct positions. Also notice the Gibson Tune-O-Matic bridge. Conspiracy Theories...:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoop Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Actually, I believe the '66 G400 is bevelled a little differently to regular G400s, but I don't think the bevelling is that wide. I noticed the Gibson bridge too, and I think it's definitely photoshopped. The Gibson bridge is quite different to the one Epi uses. Obviously the posts are smaller, but the saddle screws are too. The Gibson bridge is a Gotoh one isn't it? Not that it really matters whether it's photoshopped or not, i'm sure it'll still look great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AS90 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I would rather get a used Gibson SG Special Faded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicidehummer Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Actually' date=' I believe the '66 G400 is bevelled a little differently to regular G400s, but I don't think the bevelling is that wide. I noticed the Gibson bridge too, and I think it's definitely photoshopped. The Gibson bridge is quite different to the one Epi uses. Obviously the posts are smaller, but the saddle screws are too. The Gibson bridge is a Gotoh one isn't it? Not that it really matters whether it's photoshopped or not, i'm sure it'll still look great. [/quote'] No, I have a '66 and my step-sister has a Standard and the beveling is the same. Any differences are slight and unintentional. Gibson uses Ping Works of late. Gotoh only on the more expensive Gibbys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Graves Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 I ran this thread on another site and got a lot of photoshop replies. My bet is that MF didn't have a real one yet to photograph. In general I like the necks a lot better on the Gibsons but walnut is the stuff. I've been a woodworker for a long time and walnut is easily my favorite wood! Its gorgeous. Tough to beat at $400 too! EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTheHood Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Yup. Its a photoshop. I wouldnt have noticed unless someone had suggested it though. But yeah, the headstock and the neck arent lined up at the nut. Its barely noticable, but the head stock is actually sitting a couple of pixels below the neck. The strings line up though...and that is what was obviously used as a reference point. EDIT: If anyone has any doubts, check out the Gibson Faded SG at GC. Look at the wood grains behind the bridge. Its EXACTLY the same as the photoshopped Epi. So there you have it. http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-Faded-SG-Special-Electric-Guitar-102935921-i1149235.gc Hey Gibson, I'm available as a freelance photoshop artist. I'm expensive, but I'm worth it. Hit me up, dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Graves Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 You can have the photshop gig. I want a sales job! EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTheHood Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 You can have the photshop gig. I want a sales job! EG Well, a Sales Rep gig would definately pay alot more, but I would get to sit at my computer in my underpants, drinking a beer, shooping photos and ignoring phone calls from HQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suicidehummer Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I ran this thread on another site and got a lot of photoshop replies. My bet is that MF didn't have a real one yet to photograph. In general I like the necks a lot better on the Gibsons but walnut is the stuff. I've been a woodworker for a long time and walnut is easily my favorite wood! Its gorgeous. Tough to beat at $400 too! EG Gibson photographs the guitars, not MF. Since Gibson didn't give them a picture yet, they decided to photoshop some ones they already had. Or, like the Epi LP Classic Custom, they may never give MF a stock photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Graves Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 I guess I'm a lot more interested in the walnut than the photo. Still want that sales rep job though. I am qualified and wold happily answer all calls from corporate! (Hint hint Epi!) EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlybird Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I just got one of these shipped to me from Music123. It had a chipped headstock, so I had to send it back. But, here's the deal on the guitar: It is solid walnut, not stained mahogany. It also doesn't have a "natural oil" finish, it is a nice glossy Poly coat like on the Heritage Cherry. The one I got was WAY lighter in color than the photo, or any other piece of walnut I've ever seen. It seriously looked closer to an Ash color, but definitely was walnut grain. I know each piece of wood is different, so I'm not sure what others will look like. A few disappointing things I noticed were several visible glue drips underneath the poly coat from where they glued up the boards for the body. They really should have been sanded out before putting the clear on. BAD craftsmanship. Other than that the guitar looked beautiful. Also, the neck/headstock were not one solid piece of wood. I've never owned a G-400 before and am not sure if this is the case with all of them, but there is a glue seam at the headstock - clearly 2 pieces of wood. I had expected the neck and headstock to be the same piece of wood - the only 2 piece neck/headstock combo I have seen is on a cheap First Act guitar that I own. I'm sure it's so they can use the wood more efficiently in production - it is a relatively inexpensive guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I just got one of these shipped to me from Music123. It had a chipped headstock' date=' so I had to send it back. But, here's the deal on the guitar: It is solid walnut, not stained mahogany. It also doesn't have a "natural oil" finish, it is a nice glossy Poly coat like on the Heritage Cherry. The one I got was WAY lighter in color than the photo, or any other piece of walnut I've ever seen. It seriously looked closer to an Ash color, but definitely was walnut grain. I know each piece of wood is different, so I'm not sure what others will look like. A few disappointing things I noticed were several visible glue drips underneath the poly coat from where they glued up the boards for the body. They really should have been sanded out before putting the clear on. BAD craftsmanship. Other than that the guitar looked beautiful. Also, the neck/headstock were not one solid piece of wood. I've never owned a G-400 before and am not sure if this is the case with all of them, but there is a glue seam at the headstock - clearly 2 pieces of wood. I had expected the neck and headstock to be the same piece of wood - the only 2 piece neck/headstock combo I have seen is on a cheap First Act guitar that I own. I'm sure it's so they can use the wood more efficiently in production - it is a relatively inexpensive guitar. [/quote'] I have a feeling that MF and the others are sending out scratched and dented items at regular prices hoping that the customer will accept them.. Their scratch 'n dent items page seems to have disappeared. MF sent me a Cordoba classical guitar with a dent and crack in the finish. No more 'net purchases from them for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I can't see a guitar at that low a price being solid walnut,it's most likely a veneer as solid walnut is pretty pricey.I paid over $350 in the early 80s for an unfinished walnut Strat body so I imagine it would be much more now.A lot of companies mislead people by saying "solid wood"walnut which isn't a lie but you'll find that the "solid wood "is basswood or poplar etc. and the walnut is a 1/8 or thinner veneer.I'd be very suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I can't see a guitar at that low a price being solid walnut' date='it's most likely a veneer as solid walnut is pretty pricey.I paid over $350 in the early 80s for an unfinished walnut Strat body so I imagine it would be much more now.A lot of companies mislead people by saying "solid wood"walnut which isn't a lie but you'll find that the "solid wood "is basswood or poplar etc. and the walnut is a 1/8 or thinner veneer.I'd be very suspicious.[/quote'] Na, Walnut isn't THAT expensive anymore. More than say, ash or alder, but not as much as "exotic" woods. (Figured Walnut IS expensive though...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlybird Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 The Epi 1966 g-400 is definitely solid walnut. Building furniture is a hobby of mine and I know my woods. I suspect the KIND of Walnut they use in this model might be cheaper. Like I mentioned, the color was really light, closer to an ash, not the almost chocolate-brown you get in most Walnut wood. But the grain definitely looked like walnut. Solid walnut glued up from several pieces - the glue joints were very visible on the edges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy01 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Fadedepi said a mouthful earlier in the thread. Get your hands on it before buying. Listen to it through an amp. I'm not against a good deal, or any web store in particular, but CAUTION is the word when dealing online. Having a piece show up and not being happy with it seems to be a bit more prevalent these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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