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well, i don't know if there was any common sense in there but, i saw his act in vegas and had a good time. he's rather a conservative for an iconoclast, which surprised me and diminished him in my eyes a bit. what i could make out of his argument seems flawed to me. i think i like his non-verbal partner better. interesting clip, though.

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he's rather a conservative' date=' which ... diminished him in my eyes a bit.[/quote']

Interesting....

Being a Liberal has the advantage of higher standing in your eyes? Superiority even?

I thought the Left was the crowd preaching tolerance, diversity, acceptance, etc.

Hmmm.....

 

 

 

At 5:35 Penn started to finally make some sense.

 

I've always liked his irreverent humor, and I'm pleased he's not a typical "enlightened" celebrity.

 

I'm voting against - in the sense that I'm not in lock step with my party of 30 years.

Neither party is anything like they were only 15 years ago.

 

In my opinion, the Republican "conservative" party of record has slid into the malaise of empty-headed Liberalism, to try to gather some of the voters now blindy charging into the abyss of socialism being proudly, shamelessly cultivated by the Democratic party.

 

My core values have been largely abandoned by the first, and endlessly minimized/ridiculed by the last.

 

Palin is the only one getting any face time on a camera that has a clue what millions of Americans still believe.

You know, all that old-fashioned out dated stuff about values, morals, responsibility, accountability....

That's all been replaced with what?

 

Think about it.

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Great vid!

 

I have said the same thing for years.

I havent voted in 20 years for the same reason, and others.

When polititions come to my door asking me to vote for them always say the same thing.

Untill legislation is passed, stating that polititions MUST be held accountable for the promises...I will not vote.

Right now, they can promise you the moon during the campaign. So you trust them, you like what they have to say...so you vote for them. THEN, once in power its always the same thing. Most of the things they based their campaign on either never come to pass, or they are done in a half assed way.

 

So if I dont really like anyone, why would I vote?....Thats reverse logic is it not?

If more and more people did this, the political system would have to take notice and start thinking...hmmmm?...we had better pull up our socks boys, our jig is up.

I read a quote years ago that sums it up well.

 

"If voting changed anything it would be abolished"

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i'm a political junkie but i'll refrain from spewing my opinions, in depth, on this guitar forum. it's nice to have a place to go and not have to be concerned with such things. but before i wander off to play one of my beloved guitars, i will say, that this hyper partisan path we find ourselves on serves none of us well. it is an ill wind and if we cannot find a commonality between ourselves as Americans to do what is right for the collective good, then i fear our republic is doomed. a house divided and all that. also, while it's anyone's right to opt out of the voting process for what ever reason, not voting, to me anyway, obviates a nonvoters right to complain. or, at least, to be taken seriously. it's (voting) pretty much all we've got. happy picking!

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Sorry, but as soon as I saw who it was I turned it off. I'm not interested in hearing the liberal left socialist agenda in any way shape or form.

 

Besides, what is common about common sense? There is no such thing as common sense when you think about it. What is common for you may not be common for your neighbor.

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He's not that Liberal. Few "Celeb-retards" I can stomach for any length of time - he's one of them.

Ron White is another.

:-)

 

Retro, I'll avoid pissing in your ear over politics, but I ask you to consider this;

 

The divisiveness?

Could it be that the Conservative Right is certainly no worse than they ever were in maintaining their values?

(Okay, what they actually practice is pretty pathetic.....)

Could it be the Left that has gone past Liberal, to Socialist? The Left is now the Looney Left, extreme doesn't touch it.

As a consequence, even the center and all its Moderates have been dragged past where the Left used to be....

 

This big divide and the hyper partisanship is a result of our society trying to normalize lunacy.

Anybody still adhering to traditional principles now finds themselves marginalized as a Jesus Freak or a bigot.

Ever check out the title page to my website? I'm neither.

:-)

 

Look at the Republicans of 1980, 1960, 1940, hell even 1880! Values are constant.

Look at the Democrats now compared to 2000, not even close. Back up to 1992 - different world.

1960? Kennedy?

Staring down Kruschev?

 

Yeah, I wanna see a Democrat do that now....

 

 

 

So basically, I have to tell you and the rest of the world that standing my ground and sticking to my core convictions isn't "dividing" anything. I haven't budged an inch in 30 years.

 

 

"Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions."

- G.K. Chesterton

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Hah!

Thanks for the intervention Nik.

 

Well, in the UK, let's see....

Look up comedian Ron White on the net, you'll have an idea how I think....

:-)

Seriously, I'm not patting myself on the back here.

I've been told a hundred times that I remind people of him - without a cigar. I hate tobacco.

 

Rush Limbaugh too, but I could never pretend to be as brilliant an observer of American politics as he is.

Throw in a little Ted Nugent, and you pretty have me painted on the canvas.

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Politics creeping in here. Please don't let them ban this thread. All we see in Blighty is John Stewart. We have no idea what the man on Main Street is thinking - these guys are the closest we get. So please mods - let them keep talking.....

 

All we see is Obama! Really. In general the press coverage in the UK has been a disgrace. Ask English Joe who the republican candidate is and he'll look very blank indeed or think it's Wayne Rooney!

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One o' they pundits said this morning that the excrement will impinge upon the rotating blades when the polls all show Obama waaaaay ahead' date=' but the votes go to McCain on the day. The '[b']R[/b]' word will then be waved about and hands will be wrung (if not necks.....)

 

Actually, it depends on which poll you read. Of course all our TV media are liberal (FOX network is the exception) so their polls will always be slanted in some way, shape, or form. From what I read yesterday some polls say obama is ahead by 5 points while others say he is only ahead by 1 point. Given the margin of error, that could actually mean that McCain has the lead according to some polls.

 

In other words, the polls don't mean a thing.

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Sorry' date=' but as soon as I saw who it was I turned it off. I'm not interested in hearing the liberal left socialist agenda in any way shape or form.

 

Besides, what is common about common sense? There is no such thing as common sense when you think about it. What is common for you may not be common for your neighbor.[/quote']

 

You should have watched the vid, he isn't liberal at all.

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All we see is Obama! Really. In general the press coverage in the UK has been a disgrace. Ask English Joe who the republican candidate is and he'll look very blank indeed or think it's Wayne Rooney!

 

that's possibly because the republican nominee and his running mate are a laughing stock. no CRITICALLY THINKING voter over here takes them seriously so why should they merit coverage across the pond? we do, however, take seriously, the republican's skills when it comes to rigging or stealing an election, which is why the voter turn out will be overwhelming. the coming landslide victory for obama should be sufficient to negate any election shenanigans perpetrated by the right. for those of you watching from afar, a new day is coming for America, a sea change. i just hope it's not too late to salvage ourselves from what bush and his wrecking crew have wrought upon this nation. i am hopeful though. once the ****-kicking, greedy, jingoistic, religious zealots have been exiled from the political landscape (forever, i hope) the rest of us will get busy cleaning up this mess. it'll be nice to have some smart people back in charge.

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that's possibly because the republican nominee and his running mate are a laughing stock. no CRITICALLY THINKING voter over here takes them seriously so why should they merit coverage across the pond? we do' date=' however, take seriously, the republican's skills when it comes to rigging or stealing an election, which is why the voter turn out will be overwhelming. the coming landslide victory for obama should be sufficient to negate any election shenanigans perpetrated by the right. for those of you watching from afar, a new day is coming for America, a sea change. i just hope it's not too late to salvage ourselves from what bush and his wrecking crew have wrought upon this nation. i am hopeful though. once the ****-kicking, greedy, jingoistic, religious zealots have been exiled from the political landscape (forever, i hope) the rest of us will get busy cleaning up this mess. it'll be nice to have some smart people back in charge. [/quote']

 

??Whatever??

 

If the dem's have both the white house and congress you can bet it will be socialism at its finest... just one step away from communism.

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??Whatever??

 

If the dem's have both the white house and congress you can bet it will be socialism at its finest... just one step away from communism.

 

That might be pushing it a wee bit, but we don't know for sure what the outcome will be. One thing for sure is we all know we need some extreme changes, and fast. Whoever wins better get crackin and take a rain check on any sort of vacation. Bush left a huge, almost unfixable crack in the wall, and I just hope the right guy wins and has some damn good plans......better yet, I hope there is a right guy. Two weeks before the election and I'm still scratching my head. The fate of not just our nation, but the entire globe pretty much rests on Nov. 4th. :D

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That might be pushing it a wee bit' date=' but we don't know for sure what the outcome will be. One thing for sure is we all know we need some extreme changes, and fast. Whoever wins better get crackin and take a rain check on any sort of vacation. Bush left a huge, almost unfixable crack in the wall, and I just hope the right guy wins and has some damn good plans......better yet, I hope there is a right guy. Two weeks before the election and I'm still scratching my head. The fate of not just our nation, but the entire globe pretty much rests on Nov. 4th. :D [/quote']

 

You do speak some wise thinking. But remember it cannot be all Bush's fault because the Dems have had control of congress for almost all (not all, but most) of the 8 years he has been in office. Our system is supposed to work with checks and balances this way. So to place the blame on the Bush admin it off base. The dems are as much (I would say more) to blame.

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the Dems have had control of congress for almost all (not all' date=' but most) of the 8 years he has been in office.

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Not true. The republicans had the House and Senate majority until 2006. Currently the Senate is 49 and 49 with two independents, and the House is 232 to 202 (dem to rep)

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Not true. The republicans had the House and Senate majority until 2006. Currently the Senate is 49 and 49 with two independents' date=' and the House is 232 to 202 (dem to rep)[/quote']

 

Actually at the end of 2001 one person left the republican party and sided with the dems for a while before going independent; and that is when the dems too control of Senate. It was in 2006 that the the Senate went 49/49 with two independants while in the House the dems took control.

 

Either way you look at it, you cannot blame the Bush admin alone for everything.

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I really don't know what's going on there internally, although I'm fully aware the dems have had a strong impact on congress over the past decade. I'm not saying Bush is soley responsible for the deficit either, but it was during his tenure that the **** hit ze fan. You realize that right? If they have that much control, what's the purpose of having a president in the first place? Oh yeah, he's the commander-in-chief. Gotta maintain law and order in a country we have absolutely no need to be in. But we're willing to spend billions of dollars per day to keep the blood spilling. Politics suck! If Bush doesn't deserve any blame, then he sure as hell didn't do much to get us out of a jam. Either way, it doesn't matter. What's done is done. Is Mccain a true maverick and able to deviate from the flawed administration he was part of? And is Obama a figure that has the leadership sense to rebuild a nation and be trusted? I've never been this fickle about any election.

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Either way you look at it' date=' you cannot blame the Bush admin alone for everything.[/quote']

 

You got that right! I couldn't agree more. And I'm afraid (really afraid) that no change in administration will be sufficient to remedy the problems we face. However, your statement that the Democrats have "had control of congress for almost all (not all, but most) of the 8 years he has been in office" is still incorrect since they were outnumbered in the House until 2006. I notice there is a lot of playing fast and loose with facts these days (on both "sides") since opinion and emotion are running high. If nothing else, maybe a high-profile election with huge voter turnout will motivate citizens to pay closer attention to their elected officials and the decisions they make on our behalf!

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