Searcy Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Sticks and stones may break some bones but a 357's gonna blow your damn head off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 I didn't figure it was but I so rarely get to mouth off about bass playing these days. I also love the bass... In fact I even have a track online where I play the bass along to Never Can Say Goodbye by the Jackson 5.. So much fun to play... See what you think of my playing then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 And I'll just drop this here... this song (and most Zep songs) are nothing without this guy... Yeah man, one of my favourite songs of all time (and players) and its thanks to that amazing bass part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darling67 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 John Paul Jones was and still is 10 times the musician Jimmy Page ever was. Well... 10X might be a bit of a stretch. Maybe .07X. But what constitutes, "musician"? Technical prowess? Ability to read and write music? John Baldwin was perhaps more inclined than Page in those regards. But "musician" also requires instinct, soul, taste.... with these things in mind, nobdoy had/has anything on Page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I have 2 basses which I use for recording. But I am NOT a bassist. With Guitar I can play 'on the beat rhythm' (especially with ska tunes) but as a soloist I play across the beat. With bass it has to be 'on the beat' all the time (unless you're a genius like Phil Lesh). If the bass line is simple enough I can play bass. If I want to explore and vary the bassline I end up playing across the beat again and messing it up. So if I have to play bass I keep it simple. One more thing about bass. When I play bass I get a completely different enjoyment from it. I suppose its a bassist's groove, and it feels PDG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 Also theres this lady... man is she good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dino_j Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Seeing John Entwistle above reminds me he considered himself a 'bass guitarist' not a 'bass player' or 'bassist'. I think there truly was a distinction for him, he felt like he was a guitarist in the band who played 'lead bass' or something of that nature, and the bottom end was really anchored by the bass drums. I played bass a lot early on in my musical journey, and I was definitely influenced by John and also Paul McCartney. But Paul is a very melodic player, and I don't think he's a traditional 'bassist' either. When I play bass now, what I try to do is listen to what the song calls for. If a simple part is what it needs, then that's what I give it. I can still play some passing tones or little transitional parts when the chords change but I try to do so tastefully and in a way that only helps the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dino_j Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Also theres this lady... man is she good... Love Tal's playing, she's one of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darling67 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Can I just say... This was never meant to be a thread about slagging bass players off... Of course I know a good bass when I hear it.. And to be a good bass player is as important if not more important for rhythm.... It was just a funny clip :) BUT that guy from Who sure could play LOL! Why would anyone take away "slagging off bass players" from your thread? We all know that a solid bass player is the difference between a tight band and a train wreck. The Simpsons clip made me giggle. I shared it with a bass player friend of mine, and he loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Well... 10X might be a bit of a stretch. Maybe .07X. But what constitutes, "musician"? Technical prowess? The ability to play a solo in the same key and time signatures that the rest of the band is playing in would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quapman Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 But "musician" also requires instinct, soul, taste.... with these things in mind, nobdoy had/has anything on Page. Agreed 100% The ability to play a solo in the same key and time signatures that the rest of the band is playing in would be a good start. Are you saying that Page could not do that? I don't buy that for a second. Unless he was hammered then who here could do that properly? Any chimp can play in key and stay in time if sober. It ain't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dino_j Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Agreed 100% Are you saying that Page could not do that? I don't buy that for a second. Unless he was hammered then who here could do that properly? Any chimp can play in key and stay in time if sober. It ain't rocket science. I had a monkey for a bass player once, and he was actually better when he had a few under his belt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StRanger7032 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I like to have a laugh occasionally at bass player jokes, but I actually think it takes more musical skill than playing guitar. A guitarist can just learn chord shapes and get by, while a bassist needs to have a decent grasp of music theory. I started playing bass in March and found it very challenging. I can find the right notes in a given key easily in a lot more places now because I actually have to think about where I am on the fretboard. You can't just rely on your movable guitar scale shapes with bass because you have to be playing low enough notes most of the time. It really helped me learn a lot of scales in the open position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quapman Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I had a monkey for a bass player once, and he was actually better when he had a few under his belt... Now that is funny. We had a bass player once also. Unfortunately a few under his belt meant he was playing in another dimension of time. Didn't work out too well. Forced me into trying to play the damn thing for the next 2 years. I just faked it though. Non players didn't know the difference. They thought I was good. lol. Damn fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 The ability to play a solo in the same key and time signatures that the rest of the band is playing in would be a good start. So you are saying that Page is the perfect Jazz musician then? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Agreed 100% Are you saying that Page could not do that? I don't buy that for a second. Unless he was hammered then who here could do that properly? Any chimp can play in key and stay in time if sober. It ain't rocket science. I'm saying he rarely did. Sloppy, crappy playing is par for the guy. Here's one of his most famous studio solos. Horrible. Here he is live... even worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glp2012 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Sloppy, crappy playing is par for the guy. Here he is live... even worse... All I can say is listen to the Heartbreaker solo at half speed and tell me what you think...especially the part starting at around 2:20. I guess you could argue that anyone would sound different at half speed...you can tell me what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Ha ha, my thoughts? A 6 string is easier to play then a bass because I don't know the slightest thing about Bass. I can play a 12 string and 6 but any more or less strings then those are a foreign language to me. Why do they put 7 or 8 strings on a guitar? I don't know and I've heard bass players in concerts that blew my mind. Did not know you could get one to sound that amazing. Wish I could remember this one guy I heard but it was like he invented the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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