BluesKing777 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CSRSSJ42VS--gibson-acoustic-1942-banner-southern-jumbo-vintage-sunburst https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CSRSJU34VS--gibson-acoustic-1934-jumbo-vintage-sunburst https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/OCRS5050AN--gibson-acoustic-50s-j-50-original-antique-natural https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/OCSSDOVCS--gibson-acoustic-dove-original-vintage-cherry-sunburst Lucky I bought some pawn shop older versions of the last two linked! Don't need those, at least. BluesKing777. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Shiny and new still doesn't do anything for me, unless it's cars. I'm confident the tone of your old pawn shop guitars has that extra vintage depth not heard in fresh builds. Besides, for that kind of cash I can finally get my hands on an Ad topped Martin 12 fret 000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vw1300 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) I'm not clear on the specs for the 1942 SJ - pictures have rosewood b/s but the first set of specs says mahogany back and sides. Then it says rosewood back and sides at the lower set of specs. With a possible couple of exceptions during the wartime period, weren't SJs generally mahogany? Edited February 14, 2020 by vw1300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, vw1300 said: I'm not clear on the specs for the 1942 SJ - pictures have rosewood b/s but the first set of specs says mahogany back and sides. Then it says rosewood back and sides at the lower set of specs. With a possible couple of exceptions during the wartime period, weren't SJs generally mahogany? Yes, but these re-issues are copies of the FON 910 batch of banner SJs, which were rosewood back & sides. One member here has one of the original ones. That descriptive text is just copied boilerplate with an error in it. It is correct on the Gibson website, I believe. What we do not know on that particular model is the neck profile. I've read some specs that say it is the Luthiers Choice, which is wide at the nut put has a relatively shallow sectional shape. I would be interested in swapping my 1943 SJ re-issue and cash for the rosewood SJ model, if the neck profile is right. I have two other 1950 J-45s to cover the hog slope-J perspective pretty effectively. Rosewood is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vw1300 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 OK, thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The photos of the back of the neck were the first things that caught my eye- the listed 1.77" nut would be fine with what I'm seeing. Glad to have worked my way through the rosewood jungle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 The SJ looks tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 I put a small selection of what is available at Sweetwater - there are more models but you have to open them to see if they are in stock. So you search ...Gibson acoustic> Newest: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Gibson_Acoustic?sb=newest BluesKing777. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaldreedle Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Kind of wish the Southern Jumbo was mahogany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) My '42 has a slightly wider nut but also a deep roundback D neck carve. Nothing shallow about it. I do not recall ever playing a guitar with a Luthiers Choice neck but it sounds like a version of what I have always called a Vintage or Fat C which would be similar to the neck on my WM-00. Edited February 14, 2020 by zombywoof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Paul Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 How I would love to jump into a pile of this entire new series and emerge with the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Good grief, the number of new & appealing models is staggering - Like a dream wish list you’ve been carrying around in your pocket for decades! Thankfully, I just found the last piece to my personal instrument puzzle & should be set for a long time. Otherwise, that new lineup would quite likely cause an involuntary brain reboot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Paul Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 hours ago, 62burst said: The photos of the back of the neck were the first things that caught my eye- the listed 1.77" nut would be fine with what I'm seeing. Glad to have worked my way through the rosewood jungle. Wildwood Guitars just got a 1942 in and they list the nut as standard 1.72" on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. Paul said: Wildwood Guitars just got a 1942 in and they list the nut as standard 1.72" on that one Those are both the 1942 J-45 models. An original probably would have been 1.75" at the nut. The measured neck depths on both of those is virtually identical to the analogous depths on both of my 1950 J-45s. Depending on the sectional shape, those should be really nice necks. However, it's the rosewood 1942 SJ and the 1936 AJ that have me salivating over this series right now. I'd like to play both. I'd also like to compare the 1936 AJ to the '37 D-28 Authentic, even though it isn't exactly apples to apples. One of those three is on my near-term bucket list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, jedzep said: Shiny and new still doesn't do anything for me, unless it's cars. I'm confident the tone of your old pawn shop guitars has that extra vintage depth not heard in fresh builds. Besides, for that kind of cash I can finally get my hands on an Ad topped Martin 12 fret 000. Of course, absolutely true, JZ, but I WANT that new LG2 Banner and the new J45 Banner and they should give a good deal because after I plastered my pawn shoppers 2005 Dove and 2002 J50 photos here in this very forum, someone must have been watching because a few months later and Voila!.......a cherry red Dove AND a J50 appears in the new list.....at 4 times the cost of my slightly destroyed pawnees. I believe mine may have come from Japan where Gibson Japan have been selling cherry burst Doves and J50s on special order while not selling in the US. So the owner imported luxury Japanese cars and brought back a guitar or two on his travels..... this I have pieced together from things the pawn shop guy told me, may not be true. But I have read something like it before somewhere. (J50 hasn’t been to my luthier yet, Dove doesn’t need him!) BluesKing777. Edited February 14, 2020 by BluesKing777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 18 hours ago, generaldreedle said: Kind of wish the Southern Jumbo was mahogany There have been a number of good mahogany SJ re-issues over the years . I have a "1943 Southern Jumbo" re-issue done in 2006 for Fuller's Vintage that has almost identical specs to the new 1942 SJ, except that it is obviously mahogany B&S and does not have a cooked Adi top. Same wide nut, slightly different tuners, same almost everything else, down to the 19 frets, bridge design, etc. Neither of these is a totally authentic repro, since both have a bound fretboard and a white heel cap, which are post-war features. Still an awfully nice guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I think I can live with my DYHTD (rosewood) and KKSJ, I think. But that new one does look nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Dave F said: I think I can live with my DYHTD (rosewood) and KKSJ, I think. But that new one does look nice. From the front, the new one looks exactly like my 1943 SJ re-issue. So Dave, what do you find the tonal differences to be between your rosewood and 'hog SJs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaldreedle Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, j45nick said: From the front, the new one looks exactly like my 1943 SJ re-issue. So Dave, what do you find the tonal differences to be between your rosewood and 'hog SJs? I'd like to know the difference too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalex Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Some very tempting models there. I do wish they wouldn't install strap buttons on the new models though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vacamartin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 17 hours ago, BluesKing777 said: I WANT that new LG2 Banner and the new J45 Banner BluesKing777 BK......do the new beauties come with a 16 radius, or the original Gibson 12 radius? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 39 minutes ago, Jalex said: Some very tempting models there. I do wish they wouldn't install strap buttons on the new models though. I don't think any of these vintage models come with strap buttons other than the tailblock endpin. Other strap buttons are usually an owner installation on conventional acoustics. A tailblock endpin of some type has always been standard on Gibson acoustics, and most acoustics other than classicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Jalex said: Some very tempting models there. I do wish they wouldn't install strap buttons on the new models though. Looks like they're not doing that with all of the models. . . but in having a closer look at the '34 Jumbo neck join, it does have the French heel, an authentic touch on 1930's Gibsons. Specs list scale= 25.0?. And - have a good look at the '34 Jumbo's case- a beauty. . . is it a Harptone? love the plush interior, handle, correct-for-the-era coarse grained covering, and top and back both arched. @generaldreedle- hopefully, you've been following Rosinante's J-45 VOS NGD thread, as Zombywoof's post about the mahogany-backed J-45's strengths is a good way to start a conversation about just one more person's observations about having J-45's with both mahogany and rosewood back n' sides. Edited February 15, 2020 by 62burst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, 62burst said: Looks like they're not doing that with all of the models. . . but in having a closer look at the '34 Jumbo neck join, it does have the French heel, an authentic touch on 1930's Gibsons. Specs list scale= 25.0?. And - have a good look at the '34 Jumbo's case- a beauty. . . is it a Harptone? love the plush interior, handle, correct-for-the-era coarse grained covering, and top and back both arched. @generaldreedle- hopefully, you've been following Rosinante's J-45 VOS NGD thread, as Zombywoof's post about the mahogany-backed J-45's strengths is a good way to start a conversation about just one more person's observations about having J-45's with both mahogany and rosewood back n' sides. I looked more closely, and the Dove and 1950's J-50 have strap buttons at the neck heel. On the other ones in the Sweetwater photos, what looks sort of like a strap button at the neck heel is a reflection. That gorgeous case with the purple lining is just like the redline case that came with my L-OO Legend. It isn't branded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaldreedle Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, 62burst said: Looks like they're not doing that with all of the models. . . but in having a closer look at the '34 Jumbo neck join, it does have the French heel, an authentic touch on 1930's Gibsons. Specs list scale= 25.0?. And - have a good look at the '34 Jumbo's case- a beauty. . . is it a Harptone? love the plush interior, handle, correct-for-the-era coarse grained covering, and top and back both arched. @generaldreedle- hopefully, you've been following Rosinante's J-45 VOS NGD thread, as Zombywoof's post about the mahogany-backed J-45's strengths is a good way to start a conversation about just one more person's observations about having J-45's with both mahogany and rosewood back n' sides. I'll take a look, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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