Tman Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I'm a new comer to this forum. OK that said - I just watched Imagine, an historical documentary about John Lennon on Palladia. Sheister, I remember why he was and is such an influence on my guitar playing and wanna be song writing (still crazy [trying] after all these years). He should have been in the top 50 don't you think? I apologize if he was but he wasn't near the top and should have been IMHO. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Welcome to the hood. I agree with you, Lennon should be high on the list. Maybe we should start a new list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Usually that top guitar player stuff is all about lead guitar and rarely if ever looks at great rhythm players. I believe rhythm guitar to be a lost art today. Kids don't wanna know about it because its not the spotlight. John wasn't great technically he could make it howl when he wanted and certainly did on songs like You Can't Do That, She's So Heavy and his bits on The End. His forte was driving the band and it would benefit any young guitarist to take a listen to John's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 John was, indeed, a chord master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Lennon was The Master of Rock and Roll, to my way of thinking. He took all this influences - blues, folk, rock, avante garde - and distilled the essence of each. He then made it completely his own. Murph said he was a chord master, and I couldn't agree more, both in structure and progression: I remember - before tabs or YouTube - trying in vain for hours to figure out the chords to "If I Fell". When I listened to his home demo of Strawberry Fields and heard him go from G-Bm-Dm-Am for the verse, then C-Gm for the first part of the chorus, and match both so seemlessly with the melody...astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAS44 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I believe rhythm guitar to be a lost art today. Kids don't wanna know about it because its not the spotlight. Unfortunately, I agree with this, most kids only care about playing lead. Myself I love sitting in back with a rhythm track just as much as playing a solo or two. Rhythm is the backbone, without it lead doesn't seem as great to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 John was, indeed, a great "rhythmer" (as he put it)...the metronome like tripplets on "All My Loving" (for one) attest to that fact. And, yes...his use of chords and their progressions, were amazing...especially given the time period that a lot of those songs were composed. Not only in terms of when, they were written, but also in how fast, he (and Paul) used to write some of those amazing songs! Great Stuff! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Unfortunately' date=' I agree with this, most kids only care about playing lead. Myself I love sitting in back with a rhythm track just as much as playing a solo or two. Rhythm is the backbone, without it lead doesn't seem as great to me.[/quote'] I know kids and some "young adults" that don't even know proper "Chords," but play (only) open tunings, barring their finger across the strings, then bang away, almost like a drummer would, up and down the fingerboard. Usually with very heavy distortion, and volumes. They (apparently) don't see the "need" to learn "proper" chords... when they can do what THEY want, that way. So...??? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman Posted June 4, 2010 Author Share Posted June 4, 2010 Lennon was The Master of Rock and Roll' date=' to my way of thinking. He took all this influences - blues, folk, rock, avante garde - and distilled the essence of each. He then made it completely his own. Murph said he was a chord master, and I couldn't agree more, both in structure and progression: I remember - before tabs or YouTube - trying in vain for hours to figure out the chords to "If I Fell". When I listened to his home demo of Strawberry Fields and heard him go from G-Bm-Dm-Am for the verse, then C-Gm for the first part of the chorus, and match both so seemlessly with the melody...astounding.[/quote'] The unrepeated half step introductory part of "If I fell" took me hours too to figure out because it was so weird and surprising in a "nobody would do that" sort of way. The guy could write songs. Also his Get back leads on that Epiphone casino are also a bit outside the box especially the resolve. I agree with who said the top 50 is more about lead-shredders than overall influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Lennon was a solid player, the man had a metronome in his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Lennon was a solid player' date=' the man had a metronome in his head.[/quote'] which was then replaced by Yoko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenKen Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 which was then replaced by Yoko. He loved her' date=' he chose her, he spent the rest of his life with her. That's good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenced Fred Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 I agree. Everyone I know wants to play lead. I take it as a part of pride that I can sit back in rhythm, use some chords, and let others just bang away on the strings. I like to think I have decent time, which everyone says I do, I keep consistent right with the bass. I like taking chord progressions and seeing how I can change stuff up with just the rhythm, then see how different positions affect the chords, etc. That is my goal in life, because nobody else wants to. I guess that is also kind of the same reason I never got into metal, because that's all everyone around me listens to and plays on their BC Rich and Line 6 Spider amps. I think its a greater challenge to be rhythm because your time has to be spot on, and you can't overpower anyone. Never really was a fan of the Beatles, but Lennon is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 He loved her' date=' he chose her, he spent the rest of his life with her. That's good enough for me. [cool'] Amen brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 I like John's lead work, and find myself imitating it on my own recordings... short, sporadic phrasing, as harsh as I can get it. But that's not really what he's known for, after all. I'm sure you'll all hate it, because you're required to, but this is the last recording John played on. His solo starts at 1:20, if you want to skip to it. I actually think it's a pretty cool song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBuckeye Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Lennon was a solid player' date=' the man had a metronome in his head.[/quote'] He also had a metronome for a drummer! IMHO, while Ringo was not a flashy drummer, he was like a clock in his keeping meter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 He also had a metronome for a drummer! IMHO' date=' while Ringo was not a flashy drummer, he was like a clock in his keeping meter.[/quote'] Yeah when Giles Martin mashed the songs for the Love show he was amazed that is was so easy because Ringo's timing never wavered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 He loved her' date=' he chose her, he spent the rest of his life with her. That's good enough for me. [cool'] I heard she knew the "basket trick" shhhh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 He also had a metronome for a drummer! IMHO' date=' while Ringo was not a flashy drummer, he was like a clock in his keeping meter.[/quote']I have to agree, Ringo is a under rated drummer, I played drums for many years before concentrating on guitar. Ringo wasn't flashy, he was intricate, dynamic and solid. Listen to his work on the early Beatles stuff and compare his work to what other rock drummers were doing at the time he was way ahead of the curve. He approached each song as a percussionist, not just a beat keeper. But one must listen, because his time keeping is so solid we tend not to hear the dynamic he added to their sound. Move forward to Revolver, Sergeants Peppers and Abby Road, his work was critical to the structure of each song, I don't believe they would have been improved by any other percussionist. What really made the Beatles stand apart from other bands? Besides having the two best song writers in history, it is the arrangement of the music. Much of the credit goes to George Martin, how much I don't know. But the result was this, while most other rock bands had the bass and drums forming the rhythm section and playing as a unit, the Beatles had Lennon and Ringo concentrating on the beat, while the melody was carried by Paul and George. Ringo tied all this together with his syncopated style. The best examples are A Day in the Life, and Penny Lane, and Abbey Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Lennon said in his post Beatle life that there isnt one song that he wouldnt have liked to have done over again. I guess its true what they say..."art is never finished, its merely abandoned" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 If people took the time to listen to The White Album, in particular Sexy Sadie and Cry Baby Cry, they would discover what a amazing drummer he is. The dynamics and tone he gets out of his kit are so unique and totally his own. It's easy to dismiss the drummer, especially in this band considering the talent of the other three. But people who know, will know. And it couldn't have been easy having the most successful songwriting team in rock history asking you to come up with something different for every next song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pohatu771 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Some of the interviews I've seen of Ringo agree with you - John would always have his idea of the drums, or compare what he wanted to another record. Often those recordings had two drummers playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 He also had a metronome for a drummer! IMHO' date=' while Ringo was not a flashy drummer, he was like a clock in his keeping meter.[/quote'] And THAT, my friends, is far more important, than "Flash!"...IMHO. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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