dubstar Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 it is a SIMPLE thing to delete POSTS and not entire THREADS...I wish the moderators would take that course when threads go wildy off topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 That's an intersting question' date=' CB! As I recall, Paul's was a '61 and George's and John's were '65s...so somewhere between 1961 and 1965...? As a matter of interest, doesn't your Japanese SG have a Gibson-style headstock?[/quote'] Paul's Casino is a late 1963 which was the transition year. The headstock changed about mid-way during 1963 after having had the handle bar headstock since its introduction in 1961. John and George's Casinos were 1965 models. McCartney's Hofner (the one that's become the more-famous) was a 1962 and it's rumoured to be in a vault somewhere along with a certain 1964 FT-79N Texan (whose headstock also changed in 1963) and that McCartney has used "body doubles" for these iconic guitars on the tours...I don't doubt that there aren't back ups because I've seen McCartney's instrument rack back stage and there were two 500/1 basses and two left-handed "Bursts" on that rack...and I'm sure that wasn't the only rack of guitars he has on tour. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Interesting...I know that one of the Hofner basses IS the original, because Paul himself has stated such, and if you look at it, it has all the markings (worn areas, etc.) that were/are often seen in the Beatle and later years, photos. I'm sure he does use doubles, too...though. I can't really see him tossing the original to his guitar tech, as he's been shown to do! So, that one at least, is probably a "double?" Who knows? So, '64 seems to be the year the Epiphone headstock was changed, "officially?" Interesting. When did that type headstock, but with the knocked off corners, and "Vine Inlay" originate...as on the Broadway, ZBD, Zepher, etc.? Those were around much earlier, right? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Interesting...I know that one of the Hofner basses IS the original' date=' because Paul himself has stated such,and it you look at it, it has all the markings (worn areas, etc.) that were/are often seen in the Beatle and later years, photos. I'm sure he does use doubles, too...though. I can't really see him tossing the original to his guitar tech, as he's been shown to do! So, that one at least, is probably a "double?" Who knows? So, '64 seems to be the year the Epiphone headstock was changed, "officially?" Interesting. When did that type headstock, but with the knocked off corners, and "Vine Inlay" originate...as on the Broadway, ZBD, Zepher, etc.? Those were around much earlier, right? CB[/quote'] Yep..the vine and cut corned headstock goes back to the Stathopoulo days (pre-1957) but wasn't used on post-Gibson era Epiphones until they became Asian imports. It's possible the original Hofner and/or Texan was taken on tour but who'd risk an iconic guitar like those , worth $1M + taking them on tour when from the second row back you can't tell...hell, I was in the first row eight feet from him (1990 show before the fifteen foot wide pit of later tours) and I couldn't tell if it was the Hofner or a stand-in...though I'm pretty sure the "Burst" he used that night was the real deal 1960...that guitar was ooozzzing vibe. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Yeah, I've seen him in concert from fairly close, too...and there is something "electric" (besides guitar playing) going on, always. Those concerts always have such a positive "vibe," that it's hard not to "feel" that "spark," for lack of a better term. I was fortunate enough, one year ('76) to be right at his feet...in the walkway between front row, and the stage, taking photos, when "Wings" played in Kansas City, at Kemper Arena. The "Vibe" was really strong, then, too. Took me awhile, and more than a few deep breaths, to calm down enough, NOT to shake the camera. LOL! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Yeah' date=' I've seen him in concert from fairly close, too...and there is something "electric" (besides guitar playing) going on,always. Those concerts always have such a positive "vibe," that it's hard not to "feel" that "spark," for lack of a better term. I was fortunate enough, one year ('76) to be right at his feet...in the walkway between front row, and the stage, taking photos, when "Wings" played in Kansas City, at Kemper Arena. The "Vibe" was really strong, then, too. Took me awhile, and more than a few deep breaths, to calm down enough, NOT to shake the camera. LOL! CB[/quote'] The May '76 show I saw from a private sky box at Olympia Stadium ("The Old Red Barn on Grand River" to those who remember)..We were were directly above and in front of (slightly to the right) of the stage with perfect view and sound (Olympia had a steel roof and was notoriously bad for sound) even for Olympia and from our vantage point could also see back stage...the really cool part is my dad was a season Red Wing ticket holder at the time and an Olympia Club member (private club inside Olympia) so I parked thirty feet from the Limos and tour buses within the stadium complex only had to share our rest room with one other sky box and had waitress service to our door of our enclosed private seating...now, that was cool. The only bummer was the light/laser show (brand new concept in those days) was designed for the lower level of seating so we were actually above a lot of it. In 1990 I was front row in front of McCartney but in 1993 I had to settle for "cheap seats" in row fourteen and worse, in 2002 I was in row twenty four but my brother came through in 2005 and I was back in row nine..not bad but not the front row lol. I don't remember how many concerts I've been to but a few stand out and all of the McCartney shows do. I don't know how many times I've seen Clapton but they all end up as one big blur except for the first time I saw him which was a Derek and The Dominoes show at the old Eastown theater in Detroit (Harper and Van Dyke) in 1970. The 2005 McCartney show was the last major concert I went to. The cool part of that show was they had this great buffet (of course...he remembers the food) with some fantastic food there (The Palace Of Auburn Hills) and the show was pretty good too. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 ".... john was a sodomite... Just out of curiosity - would a sodmite who doesn't eat meat be a vegemite? My theory is that the mods are letting this thread run as it's keeping us from comparing Epiphones to other manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Just out of curiosity - would a sodmite who doesn't eat meat be a vegemite? My theory is that the mods are letting this thread run as it's keeping us from comparing Epiphones to other manufacturers. would that make Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithful Mar(s)mites?...sorry it's the cranberry sauce talking... and anyone under the age of say forty five probably has no idea of which I speak. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Just out of curiosity - would a sodmite who doesn't eat meat be a vegemite? My theory is that the mods are letting this thread run as it's keeping us from comparing Epiphones to other manufacturers. would that make Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithful Mar(s)mites?...sorry it's the cranberry sauce talking... and anyone under the age of say forty five probably has no idea of which I speak. My theory the mods that haven't been laid off are all getting pissed (Brit sense) on cheap plonk and couldn't care less about some forum board...geez I'm feeling a bit of a Britophile today it would seem.. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Nazarenie Posted November 28, 2008 Author Share Posted November 28, 2008 1. they claimed to be bigger than jesus yet offer no salvation. 2. looks wise none are as good looking as elvis. (just aesthetics.) 3. non are virtuosos or world class... "reputed musicians." 4. their rock and roll or indian music left little in the catalogue to like. (if you are not a fan of either like me.) 5. constant play on tv and radio left people bored of their sound. i even cringe when i hear their name. not again!!! although i am trying to expose myself to them in therapy. that and fingers down a blackboard. 6. they seemed to deliberately keep out of politics and not help any cause to keep themselves popular with everyone. until others started to show themselves as political forces. they didn't play woodstock. not sure if they were invited. in it for themselves only. 7. they sounded out dated by the mid 70's and their tunes were not as good as the disco stuff i remember. i put on one of my mothers records and was going to listen to it and learn their stuff on my dads old guitar as i was told they were the best song writters ever... but it just sounded out dated back then and i didn't bother. 8. they were a post war group. and any group was going to acclaimed far more than any other time after the 40's and completely drab 50's. no longer were they musicians the in these days the drugs made them gods! 9. this is mostly speculation... they were used by occultic or masonic (hidden.) groups to help change society with the use of loose morals and drugs and possible involvement of john as a man of peace? "peace peace when there is no peace." (jeremias 6:14.) in the forming one world government. as dictated on the back of the dollar. "Novus Ordo Seclorum" which has been translated to one world heathen government. (with the eye of lucifer as capstone.) a copy of catcher in the rye was found. after his execution... nuff said. http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol9/articles/harrison.shtml attempted execution of george??? http://www.theinsider.org/reports/dollar-bill-symbols/ 10. they were obviously destroyed by there own solo careers like paul and his frog chorus or john and his woman is the ******** of the world... classics all! i'm glad they are english though... i'm still proud but i hate the liverpool accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan 58 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Alrighty then....Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 1. they claimed to be bigger than jesus yet offer no salvation.2. looks wise none are as good looking as elvis. (just aesthetics.) 3. non are virtuosos or world class... "reputed musicians." 4. their rock and roll or indian music left little in the catalogue to like. (if you are not a fan of either like me.) 5. constant play on tv and radio left people bored of their sound. i even cringe when i hear their name. not again!!! although i am trying to expose myself to them in therapy. that and fingers down a blackboard. 6. they seemed to deliberately keep out of politics and not help any cause to keep themselves popular with everyone. until others started to show themselves as political forces. they didn't play woodstock. not sure if they were invited. in it for themselves only. 7. they sounded out dated by the mid 70's and their tunes were not as good as the disco stuff i remember. i put on one of my mothers records and was going to listen to it and learn their stuff on my dads old guitar as i was told they were the best song writters ever... but it just sounded out dated back then and i didn't bother. 8. they were a post war group. and any group was going to acclaimed far more than any other time after the 40's and completely drab 50's. no longer were they musicians the in these days the drugs made them gods! 9. this is mostly speculation... they were used by occultic or masonic (hidden.) groups to help change society with the use of loose morals and drugs and possible involvement of john as a man of peace? "peace peace when there is no peace." (jeremias 6:14.) in the forming one world government. as dictated on the back of the dollar. "Novus Ordo Seclorum" which has been translated to one world heathen government. (with the eye of lucifer as capstone.) a copy of catcher in the rye was found. after his execution... nuff said. http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol9/articles/harrison.shtml attempted execution of george??? http://www.theinsider.org/reports/dollar-bill-symbols/ 10. they were obviously destroyed by there own solo careers like paul and his frog chorus or john and his woman is the ******** of the world... classics all! i'm glad they are english though... i'm still proud but i hate the liverpool accent. You are the most seriously fu<ked up in the head person I've ever experienced in my fifteen years plus on the Internet and that's saying something...I'm sorry but I can't take you even a little bit seriously so you must be a joke. No one can actually believe the sh!t you spew so you must also be a troll as we originally surmised. At least I hope that you're a joke because if you actually believe this nonsense you've posted there's a great probability you should be institutionalized. I presented you with a philosophical argument that you ignored choosing to indulge yourself with this lunatic fringe blather so I highly doubt you have any real background in Philosophy Cosmology or Theology. What you seem to be is one of those sick, paranoid nut jobs preparing the Kool Aid while waiting for the Rapture. You need some help...some seriously intense therapy. In all candor and honesty and with absolutely no levity or facetiousness I believe you to be mentally ill and I hope you don't have access to any children with your sick, poisoned thinking. I actually feel sorry for you because you are so obviously suffering from what must be horrific delusions and a complete disconnection with reality. Do yourself a favor and contact your local mental heath agency and get some help before you harm yourself or others through this sad and pathetic illness you suffer. Turn off the TV and get to the doctor. The proper meds and therapy can bring you from this anguish you suffer. My very best wishes for you and your hopeful recovery. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 "Say the word, and you'll be free Say the word, and be like me, Say the word, I'm thinking of, Have you heard, the word is LOVE, It's so Fine, It's sunshine... It's the word, LOVE!" To me, "Pollyanna incarnate," that's the (main) message of The Beatles! Maybe in a world, where there's so much "Hate," they seem "over-rated?" But, in my mind, we need them/their music-message, MORE than ever!! Fine' CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar Chico Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Is this the longest post in the history of the epiphone forum? We should call Guinness World Records!!! GC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 1. they claimed to be bigger than jesus yet offer no salvation.2. looks wise none are as good looking as elvis. (just aesthetics.) 3. non are virtuosos or world class... "reputed musicians." 4. their rock and roll or indian music left little in the catalogue to like. (if you are not a fan of either like me.) 5. constant play on tv and radio left people bored of their sound. i even cringe when i hear their name. not again!!! although i am trying to expose myself to them in therapy. that and fingers down a blackboard. 6. they seemed to deliberately keep out of politics and not help any cause to keep themselves popular with everyone. until others started to show themselves as political forces. they didn't play woodstock. not sure if they were invited. in it for themselves only. 7. they sounded out dated by the mid 70's and their tunes were not as good as the disco stuff i remember. i put on one of my mothers records and was going to listen to it and learn their stuff on my dads old guitar as i was told they were the best song writters ever... but it just sounded out dated back then and i didn't bother. 8. they were a post war group. and any group was going to acclaimed far more than any other time after the 40's and completely drab 50's. no longer were they musicians the in these days the drugs made them gods! 9. this is mostly speculation... they were used by occultic or masonic (hidden.) groups to help change society with the use of loose morals and drugs and possible involvement of john as a man of peace? "peace peace when there is no peace." (jeremias 6:14.) in the forming one world government. as dictated on the back of the dollar. "Novus Ordo Seclorum" which has been translated to one world heathen government. (with the eye of lucifer as capstone.) a copy of catcher in the rye was found. after his execution... nuff said. http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol9/articles/harrison.shtml attempted execution of george??? http://www.theinsider.org/reports/dollar-bill-symbols/ 10. they were obviously destroyed by there own solo careers like paul and his frog chorus or john and his woman is the ******** of the world... classics all! i'm glad they are english though... i'm still proud but i hate the liverpool accent. You left out the part where they are angels who were going to give messages to Charles Manson on how to rule the world. False prophets? Do ya' think? Why won't you capitalize the words "God" and "Bible"? You tryin' to dis them? ---------------------------------------------------- If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 "Wings... ah, the band the Beatles might have been..." Alan Partridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefferySmith Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 "Wings... ah' date=' the band the Beatles might have been..." Alan Partridge. [/quote'] How did you ever choose the name vomer? That's a bone that makes up part of the nasal septum. And it is so buried in the skull, it's not easy to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Just when ya thought it was safe to go back to the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Strum Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Just when ya thought it was safe to go back to the music. I know. I am finding the forum slower to respond when I hit enter, maybe it's this thread. Like an ***, I added to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 there appears to be some members with some lofty principles......... you'd swear we were on a thespian forum, rather than a rock musicians forum#-o ......... no wonder rock n roll is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Strum Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted. -- Steven Wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Norm Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Whatever was said over here... ( I did'nt took time to read them all ), the almost 300 replies and over 3000 viewers on this forum say it all. The Beatles leave nobody unconcerned. How can anybody say there are over rated ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 They certainly are far from outstanding musicians alone, their weak solo material proves that out. they were good, but fact is time was their friend, in another place and time they would've been laughed out of the local bar. Their strongest suite was song writing, not instrument playing. I grew up with them, so I've been there, but the fact is I bought few of their albums back then, they just did not impress me enough to spend cash on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 They certainly are far from outstanding musicians alone' date=' their weak solo material proves that out. they were good, but fact is time was their friend, in another place and time they would've been laughed out of the local bar. Their strongest suite was song writing, not instrument playing. I grew up with them, so I've been there, but the fact is I bought few of their albums back then, they just did not impress me enough to spend cash on them.[/quote'] thanks for jumping onboard early there bro we were keeping this thread going till we heard your opinion=d> ok cut and print thats a wrap!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarxBros Posted November 29, 2008 Share Posted November 29, 2008 thanks for jumping onboard early there bro we were keeping this thread going till we heard your opinion=d> ok cut and print thats a wrap!! blah blah blah, blow it out of the other end and see how it sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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