jefleppard Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 http://www.epiphone.com/news.asp?NewsID=1413 has anyone seen a price on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitmore Willy Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Cunkhead, Zerostreet posted on this a couple of days ago. The post "New Epi Models" had some interesting comments. If you read through it, Mr. Nelson was pretty definitive about his opinion. Good reading. I don't think cost is going to be much of a factor as most of us will never see any of them. (only 100 in each model) I don't think anyone has actually seen a price listing on them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Nelson Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Cunkhead' date=' Zerostreet posted on this a couple of days ago. The post "New Epi Models" had some interesting comments. If you read through it, Mr. Nelson was pretty definitive about his opinion. Good reading. I don't think cost is going to be much of a factor as most of us will never see any of them. (only 100 in each model) I don't think anyone has actually seen a price listing on them yet. [/quote'] The Epiphone press release says the list price is $4832...under normal circumstances this would mean Musician's Friend and the outlets Gibson uses to fix its prices are going to be around $3300 and you'd be able to get it for around $2900 at your local mom and pop but since it's purposely rare (100 units) that goes out the window...like on the Robot Guitar (until that turned into a bust ) where at first dealers were getting more than list and then they couldn't sell them to save their lives....the Wilshire is a bit different because they can easily be put back for speculative purposes and always sold at regular mark-up...If one does becomes available expect to pay a minimum of list until the hoopla dies down and then they'll show up for time to time in the $3800-$4K range...not bad profit margin for a guitar that should sell for under $2K. Mr.Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefleppard Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 apologies, guys. didnt know it was a topic already! i had a feeling that it was being intentionally and artificially rarified by epi and the price would be up there. but i figured it would come in around the elitist mark. this pricing is silly. but then again, the vintage market on the original - the coronet, olympic etc is also suspect. ive seen totally unloved, beaten and abused models going for $3500. the rule has bwwn 'if you dont agree, dont pay it'. i havent, but someone must be forking it out. sidenote - epi put out a korean wilshire last year and the list was $299. i saw one here in canada for $229cdn. i know, different animal but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWANG Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I sure like the look of that 62. And I wish epi would have thier own regular model as well. TWANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'll play. I think the street price will between $2999 and $3149. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 That guitar should never sell for more than a grand (1,500 tops), even as a USA version "Reissue!" "Reissue" being the operative word, here. Limited edition means it's for insane collectors, who have nothing better to do with their "bucks" than buy "beginner guitars" produced in very limited editions, for insane inflated markups! I LOVE "Amercian" made guitars, so don't get me wrong, here...and, the originals commanding insane prices, is because they're no longer made (here or anywhere else) so, there MIGHT be some merrit in that...but this feeding frenzy, that produces "historically correct, limited editions reissues," at stupidly expensive price points, has reached way beyond all reason/proportion...IMHO!! Gibson will be laughing, all the way to the bank!! LOL! End of Rant! ;>) CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The Epiphone press release says the list price is $4832... Mr.Nelson I just talked Gibson and to SweetWater, and there is no pricing info at the moment. Pricing will be announced at the NAMM show. Gibson stated that the $4382 list price is nothing more than a rumor..... we shall see:-k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitmore Willy Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 +1 on C.B. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwillow777 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I totally agree CB. Over $3000 for this Epi, way over priced. I'd get a Gibby hands down. That is if I was unloading 3 grand at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 That guitar should never sell for more than a grand (1' date='500 tops), even as a USA version "Reissue!" "Reissue" being the operative word, here. Limited edition means it's for insane collectors, who have nothing better to do with their "bucks" than buy "beginner guitars" produced in very limited editions, for insane inflated markups! I LOVE "American" made guitars, so don't get me wrong, here...and, the originals commanding insane prices, is because they're no longer made (here or anywhere else) so, there MIGHT be some merit in that...but this feeding frenzy, that produces "historically correct, limited editions[b'] reissues[/b]," at stupidly expensive price points, has reached way beyond all reason/proportion...IMHO!! Gibson will be laughing, all the way to the bank!! LOL! End of Rant! ;>) CB I'm gonna wait and see what the price is before I allow my brain to explode..... the last time Epi released a guitar that was over $3000 was maybe 11 years ago. And lets be realistic, the JL Casinos have 10000000000000x more the significance than a 1962 Wilshire.... So I cant see the logic in Gibson trying to market this guitar (Wilshire) somewhere in the stratosphere, even if it's assembled in their custom shop... But who knows. maybe the Gibby marketing folks will prove me wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Well I actually got a call back from Bob at Gibson......$48xx MSRP#-o ....... friggin yikes:-# ..... I will not pay that type of money, for that guitar...... Back to talking to the folks at Gruhn Guitars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generation zero Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I wouldn't even go a grand. I don't care if they make them on the moon, that's at BEST a $750 guitar, and that's being generous. Historically accurate or not, it's a high end student guitar. And a none too attractive one at that. For 1000, I'd rather buy a Gibson melody maker and an epi plain top LP standard. But, like the $10,000 EVH Frankenstein reissue, there are idiots out there willing to shell out the bucks, so I say have at it. I'll walk past it in the store and say "hey, that looks kinda neat." Then somebody else can fork over a few mortgage payments and take it home. What I want to know is when car companies are going to get on the reissue bandwagon... Can you imagine how many middle aged dudes would line up in droves to pay $125,000 for a 2010 '57 Chevy "reissue" that was as faithful to the original as possible while still conforming to modern emissions and safety requirements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I wouldn't even go a grand. I don't care if they make them on the moon' date=' that's at BEST a $750 guitar, and that's being generous. Historically accurate or not, it's a high end student guitar. And a none too attractive one at that. For 1000, I'd rather buy a Gibson melody maker and an epi plain top LP standard. But, like the $10,000 EVH Frankenstein reissue, there are idiots out there willing to shell out the bucks, so I say have at it. I'll walk past it in the store and say "hey, that looks kinda neat." Then somebody else can fork over a few mortgage payments and take it home. What I want to know is when car companies are going to get on the reissue bandwagon... Can you imagine how many middle aged dudes would line up in droves to pay $125,000 for a 2010 '57 Chevy "reissue" that was as faithful to the original as possible while still conforming to modern emissions and safety requirements?[/quote'] I really thought that guitar would list for no more than $3000.... And I would pay that.... But there is no way I would pay $4400[-x .... and you just know the dealers wont budge from list:-s ohlba wellba.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Nelson Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I just talked Gibson and to SweetWater' date=' and there is no pricing info at the moment. Pricing will be announced at the NAMM show. Gibson stated that the $4382 list price is nothing more than a rumor..... we shall see:-k [/quote'] To commemorate the Wilshire as well as other “Kalamazoo-made” models, Epiphone is proud to introduce the “Epiphone Historic Custom USA” collection. The first in the series of reissues is the 1962 Wilshire in Cherry. Made in Nashville, Tennessee in cooperation with the Gibson Custom Shop and limited to only 100 instruments worldwide, it combines impeccable attention to detail and historic accuracy. This historic reissue includes: • Original Style Hard Case • Numbered Certificate of Authenticity in leatherette binder • Vintage-style Coiled Guitar Cord • Commemorative Picks • Commemorative T-Shirt • 1962-style Thin Leather Strap The U.S. Suggested Retail Price of the 1962 Wilshire Reissue is $4,832. Specifications Made In: Nashville, TN USA Body Wood: 1-pc; Peruvian Mahogany Neck Wood: 1-pc; Peruvian Mahogany Headstock: 17 degree; 3-on-a-side tuner configuration Neck Joint: Set; Glued-in Fingerboard: Madagascar Rosewood Scale Length: 24-3/4" Nut Width: 1-11/16" Fingerboard Radius: 12" Frets: 22; medium/jumbo Neck Profile: Original 1960's Rounded Neck Profile Fingerboard Inlay: Pearloid Dots Machine Heads: Vintage Kluson with plastic buttons Hardware: Nickel Pickups: Two "soapbar" P-90's with adjustable pole pieces Authentic unit base with 1960's construction Controls: 2-Volume; 2-Tone; 1 Three-way Selector Switch CTS potentiometers Switchcraft Toggle switch and output jack Bridge: ABR-1 Tailpiece: Aluminum Tune-o-matic A rumor started by Epiphone maybe...this is from the Epiphone press release... Mr. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiEric Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I guess at a time when most lower to mid-range Gibson Les Pauls have two piece mahogany backs, a good quality one piece body is pricey. I'm still hoping that they'll do something similar to this on the production line for a more pedestrian price. Just take the Chinese Wilshire body and screw a P90 or two on there and I'll be interested.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Nelson Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I really thought that guitar would list for no more than $3000.... And I would pay that.... But there is no way I would pay $4400[-x .... and you just know the dealers wont budge from list:-s ohlba wellba.... "Sure some will hypothesize about the economics as to why Epi/Gibson are only selling 100 American Wilshires.... But as a guitar player' date=' I can give a rip-roaring-flying-f**k about self embellished fruit-loop economics as to why people sell and buy things, (especially a guitar).. Like the old saying goes, "One Mans Trash is Another Mans Treasure." I personally have been waiting for a new American made Epi Wilshire, Crestwood or Coronet model for quite some time. If I don't manage to land one of the soon to be released 100 Wilshires, then I'll resort to plan B and go after a vintage one.... which is a hell of a Plan B."[/b'] What a difference a day makes huh?.. sometimes "self-embellished, fruit-loops economics" is based on thirty five years experience..I could have saved you a couple of phone calls had you listened...contrary to your beliefs, I don't pull this stuff out of my butt... Mr.Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I guess at a time when most lower to mid-range Gibson Les Pauls have two piece mahogany backs' date=' a good quality one piece body is pricey. I'm still hoping that they'll do something similar to this on the production line for a more pedestrian price. Just take the Chinese Wilshire body and screw a P90 or two on there and I'll be interested....[/quote'] No thanks to a Chinese made instruments...... I purchased a Gibson Les Paul Jr. (Satin Cherry) for $840 at MF.... I figured by just adding another p-90 to the neck position and adding a ABR 1 with a stop tailpiece to a Wilshire might add at most another $400 to the guitar..... I guess Peruvian mahogany comes at a premium these days.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 "Sure some will hypothesize about the economics as to why Epi/Gibson are only selling 100 American Wilshires.... But as a guitar player' date=' I can give a rip-roaring-flying-f**k about self embellished fruit-loop economics as to why people sell and buy things, (especially a guitar).. Like the old saying goes, "One Mans Trash is Another Mans Treasure." I personally have been waiting for a new American made Epi Wilshire, Crestwood or Coronet model for quite some time. If I don't manage to land one of the soon to be released 100 Wilshires, then I'll resort to plan B and go after a vintage one.... which is a hell of a Plan B."[/b'] What a difference a day makes huh?.. sometimes "self-embellished, fruit-loops economics" is based on thirty five years experience..I could have saved you a couple of phone calls had you listened...contrary to your beliefs, I don't pull this stuff out of my butt... Mr.Nelson I'm a believer in finding out for one's self.... I wasn't calling you a liar, but I don't know you from Adam..... And even if I knew you personally, I still would make the phone call to the actual source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Nelson Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 No thanks to a Chinese made instruments...... I purchased a Gibson Les Paul Jr. (Satin Cherry) for $840 at MF.... I figured by just adding another p-90 to the neck position and adding a ABR 1 with a stop tailpiece to a Wilshire might add at most another $400 to the guitar..... I guess Peruvian mahogany comes at a premium these days.:) and the cost of actual craftsmanship as opposed to an exploited sixteen year old Chinese kid who's really good on the CNC machine..and quality hardware..and quality electronics and an actual wood finish as opposed to dipping the guitar in plastic...yeah that all costs...maybe enough to warrant a $2K list price but what costs the most is that Gibson knows there are suckers and pretenders who will pay that $4832 to pretend they have a vintage guitar..or at least a legitimate collectible...you don't really think that Lennon Casino is worth a dime more than $1500 street do you?...you (both the rhetorical and the personal "you" in this case) paid to pretend to have "Lennon's" Casino...fantastic guitar...amazing quality of materials and craftsmanship but seriously...how far removed is that Casino from the Elitist versions? Yes, Gibson knows that people will pay to have that minutiae and details like the correct truss rod cover...and Gibson knows there's enough nostalgia value to charge $4832 for a guitar that should sell for a quarter of that...if they simply put P-90s on the Chinese version they'd still only get three hundred bucks for it...but if they hype it to death with details...well, there you go...end of self-embellished fruit-loops economic rant...we return you now to your regularly scheduled programming. Mr.Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 and the cost of actual craftsmanship as opposed to an exploited sixteen year old Chinese kid who's really good on the CNC machine..and quality hardware..and quality electronics and an actual wood finish as opposed to dipping the guitar in plastic...yeah that all costs...maybe enough to warrant a $2K list price but what costs the most is that Gibson knows there are suckers and pretenders who will pay that $4832 to pretend they have a vintage guitar..or at least a legitimate collectible...you don't really think that Lennon Casino is worth a dime more than $1500 street do you?...you (both the rhetorical and the personal "you" in this case) paid to pretend to have "Lennon's" Casino...fantastic guitar...amazing quality of materials and craftsmanship but seriously...how far removed is that Casino from the Elitist versions? Yes' date=' Gibson knows that people will pay to have that minutiae and details like the correct truss rod cover...and Gibson knows there's enough nostalgia value to charge $4832 for a guitar that should sell for a quarter of that...if they simply put P-90s on the Chinese version they'd still only get three hundred bucks for it...but if they hype it to death with details...well, there you go...end of self-embellished fruit-loops economic rant...we return you now to your regularly scheduled programming. Mr.Nelson[/quote'] I didnt pay $1500 for a JL Rev, but would have if I hadn't found a better deal.... And you don't have to convince me that a Lennon Rev is not that far removed from an Elitist. But people for the most part buy guitars for personal reasons, and if someone wants to believe their JL Rev is John Lennons guitar, then so be it... they paid $2000 for the privilege. As for your Gibson sucker comment, that's just absurd... The fact is Gibson is the expert and you're not, despite your 35 years of experience. You can simply (A) not buy the product, (B) shell out the cash. Or © use that 35 years of experience to build your own line of guitars that rivals Gibson's quality. It's so easy to sit back and play armchair guitar manufacturer, and claim the all knowing as to why everyone buys a guitar. But the fact is Mr. Nelson you're just another guitar player with an opinion.... Sure your knowledge is superb in regards to history of guitars. But until I see a line of Mr. Nelsons Custom Guitars, you're just another player with an abundance of acquired knowledge about guitars..... (which I do applaud you for)... But to me it's nothing more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Nelson Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I didnt pay $1500 for a JL Rev' date=' but would have if I hadn't found a better deal.... And you don't have to convince me that a Lennon Rev is not that far removed from an Elitist. But people for the most part buy guitars for personal reasons, and if someone wants to believe their JL Rev is John Lennons guitar, then so be it... they paid $2000 for the privilege. As for your Gibson sucker comment, that's just absurd... The fact is Gibson is the expert and your not, despite your 35 years of experience. You can simply (A) not buy the product, (B) shell out the cash. Or © use that 35 years of experience to build your own line of guitars that rival Gibson's quality. It's so easy to sit back and play armchair guitar manufacturer, and claim the all knowing as to why everyone buys a guitar. But the fact is Mr. Nelson you're just another guitar player with an opinion.... Sure your knowledge is superb in regards to history of guitars. But until I see a line of Mr. Nelsons Custom Guitars, you're just another player with an abundance of acquired knowledge about guitars..... (which I do applaud you for)... But to me it's nothing more than that.[/quote'] If someone pays $4832 for that Wilshire..and someone will...they are a sucker...no other way about it...from your previous postings here you are also a sucker because if I recall, you paid stupid money for the "correct" truss rod cover and were willing to act in total stupidity buying vintage parts to put on your Epi yard sale special...just to be able to pretend that you had something which you did not...I've never "made" guitars but I have marketed three different luthiers custom-made guitars for them so I have experience in that arena too..Gibsons are experts at getting people to part with their money...that's what they're experts at and why Harvard MBAs run that company and not craftsmen like Ted McCarty or Leo Fender...so tell me, how many music stores have you owned and were you able to comfortably retire at thirty eight because all you had was an abundance of acquired guitar knowledge and your opinions? Mr.Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 If someone pays $4832 for that Wilshire..and someone will...they are a sucker...no other way about it...from your previous postings here you are also a sucker because if I recall' date=' you paid stupid money for the "correct" truss rod cover and were willing to act in total stupidity buying vintage parts to put on your Epi yard sale special...just to be able to pretend that you had something which you did not...I've never "made" guitars but I have marketed three different luthiers custom-made guitars for them so I have experience in that arena too..Gibsons are experts at getting people to part with their money...that's what they're experts at and why Harvard MBAs run that company and not craftsmen like Ted McCarty or Leo Fender...so tell me, how many music stores have you owned and were you able to comfortably retire at thirty eight because all you had was an abundance of acquired guitar knowledge and your opinions? Mr.Nelson[/quote'] To me, all of the above is opinion, presumption, and more opinion, with a tad of self back tapping..... however I do congratulate you on early retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibplayer Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 If someone pays $4832 for that Wilshire..and someone will...they are a sucker...no other way about it...from your previous postings here you are also a sucker because if I recall' date=' you paid stupid money for the "correct" truss rod cover and were willing to act in total stupidity buying vintage parts to put on your Epi yard sale special...just to be able to pretend that you had something which you did not...I've never "made" guitars but I have marketed three different luthiers custom-made guitars for them so I have experience in that arena too..Gibsons are experts at getting people to part with their money...that's what they're experts at and why Harvard MBAs run that company and not craftsmen like Ted McCarty or Leo Fender...so tell me, how many music stores have you owned and were you able to comfortably retire at thirty eight because all you had was an abundance of acquired guitar knowledge and your opinions? Mr.Nelson[/quote'] Dude, I'm not sure I believe your story. To be a successful businessman/salesman you have to give people what they want to meet their needs and not what you say they should want. That seemed a pretty personal and insulting attack on Duane too. Surely, the guy's entitled to buy whatever he wants for his own reasons. Did you make personal attacks like that on your customers and treat those "suckers" with the same level of disdain? If you did, I doubt than any came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Nelson Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dude' date=' I'm not sure I believe your story. To be a successful businessman/salesman you have to give people what they want to meet their needs and not what [i']you[/i] say they should want. That seemed a pretty personal and insulting attack on Duane too. Surely, the guy's entitled to buy whatever he wants for his own reasons. Did you make personal attacks like that on your customers and treat those "suckers" with the same level of disdain? If you did, I doubt than any came back. I only call them like I see them and anyone who spends $175 or whatever ridiculous amount it was, on a plastic truss rod cover (which in no way affects the function or sound of the guitar) to pretend they have a 60's something or $4832 to pretend they have a 60's Wilshire is a sucker...or someone laying in wait for another bigger sucker to come along...I wish your opinion and thoughts meant more but they don't so this is where you get off...Though I guess I should thank and congratulate Duane and his mind set for buying into the sucker market of vintage guitars and parts...after all, that's where I made a lot of my money...whatever...Dude. Mr. Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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