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Are the lower priced Gibson acoustics noticbly better than an Epiphone Masterbilt?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:42 AM

I own a j45, J15 and a Lg2 (as well as a Hummingbird) I have tried to warm up to the epi line in acoustics but I dont think they compare to the j15 or Lg2. not saying the epi's are bad guitars but Gibsons are that good.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 01:24 PM

I've owned two of the Epi Masterbilts. One a DR500 something-or-other and the EPI J45/AJ. Both were very nice guitars, especially for the money, but after I got them I rarely played them because of my Gibsons. The Epis were at least the equal of competitors in their price range, but they were not Gibsons. Doesn't mean they were not good guitars, but different materials and different construction made a difference to my ears. The Epi guitars sounded like good guitars. My Gibsons sound like Gibsons...... Is a $1500 Gibson or Martin three times better than a 500-600 Epi, etc? No, but there's far more to bonding/needing a particular guitar than that. Besides, I have an Alvarez that I love playing, but it's not a J15, etc. Only cost half as much and it sounds great, but it's still not a J15. A long time friend loves his #300 Yamaha. A sweet little guitar, but it's not his Martin D42. The Martin (used) costs nearly 12 times what the Yahmaha costs new and the Yamaha sounds like a guitar is expected to sound, but it is not the Martin. The Martin doesn't sound 12 times better, but that's not the point. The point is that it's a Martin D42, and that alone says a lot. If money was what it was all about, we'd all be playing nice sounding guitars that cost a few hundred dollars, but we all know there's more to it than that.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:02 PM

I've had a couple few pretty nice Epiphones in my life. If I'm going out with the fellas for an evening of mildly restrained White Zin fueled full on arena rock fury I have never walked past the Gibsons to get an Epiphone. Hence, I have no Epiphones. I've only played a few Epiphone acoustics in my life, but I'm pretty sure the same would be true for those as well, I wouldn't be walking past the Martins for one.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:05 PM

View PostAllenjason95, on 19 March 2017 - 04:20 AM, said:


Both Epiphones and s Gibsons guitars are made to cater to certain types of players? No, Epiphones and Gibsons are made to cater to different budgets more than different "players".

It's like Squire and Fender USA, those aren't made for different "types" of players as far as playing style goes, they're made for people who have different budgets. Someone shopping for a Squire usually isn't choosing between a Squire and a Fender USA because if they could afford a real Fender they wouldn't be in the market for a Squire.

I don't know why whenever someone starts a thread like this someone like you always has to reply with "it varies for every person and every guitar is different" or "that's a decision that has to be made by each individual". That's obvious.

But there are still general truths about the quality of guitars and I wanted suggestions from people who know what they're talking about and people I could ask questions. A Gibson LP is (to most people) absolutely superior to a Chibson copy for example.

But a high end Epiphone and a low end Gibson are a little closer in quality and the Masterbilts have a really good rep.

The old "play the guitars yourself, no one can make that decision for you" cliche is trite and obvious. It's not like I just started playing guitar man, I just don't know much about Gibson acoustics.


I know it can seem annoyingly obvious when people here revert to the old try-before-you-buy advice, or else pointless given the number of complaints about how few shops there are with any guitars worth trying, let alone enough examples of different models to really run a comparison. But the old 'it depends what you like' chestnut really does apply here, because you are currently not comparing like to like at all.

All of your examples are drawn from the world of electrics, and based on pairs of instruments which are based on the same design. So a Squier Tele is built according to the same basic plan as a Fender Tele, give or take through-stringing, modern or vintage bridges, tuners, etc. There are some differences in terms of materials (wood type, weight and quality, nitro vs poly finish), probably more in terms of labour cost (not everybody is as convinced as you are that a USA standard Tele is better than a Squier CV 50s). The same goes for your Gibson, Epiphone and Chibson Les Pauls (assuming you are talking about the more convincing Chibsons).

You can't assume, though, that your long-scale Masterbilt is comparable to a J15 in the same way as an Epi LP is comparable to a Gibson LP, or a Squier Tele is comparable to a Fender Tele. It's not just a question of labour costs, workmanship, quality of materials, fit and finish. It's also a question of fundamental design. Comparing a long-scale acoustic to a short-scale acoustic is like comparing a Tele to a Les Paul. If I really like the sound and feel of a Tele and really don't like the sound and feel of a Les Paul, I will probably prefer a Squier Tele to a Gibson LP. The quality issue is secondary to what I really want. So your Masterbilt and a Gibson J15 actually are built to cater for different sorts of players, not just for the same type of player on a different budget. You need to work out whether you really want a better quality long-scale acoustic or a short-scale acoustic before working out whether you want a Masterbilt or a Gibson.

When I bought my Gibson, I had worked out that I really liked the sound of short-scale guitars with a spruce top and mahogany back and sides. I'd also worked out that I preferred the Gibson slopeshoulder variant of that sound over the Martin OOO variant. At that point in time (6 years ago), there were no cheaper alternatives to the Gibson. There weren't even the cheaper Gibsons: no J35s, no J15s. Some long-scale Recording King slopeshoulders appeared around that time (hybrid copies of the J45 and an Advanced Jumbo), but the long scale means they don't sound or feel the same. Or there were Masterbilts like yours (again long scale, so not the same). Now there are closer, short-scale copies of the J45 by Sigma and in the Masterbilt series. The Sigmas have laminated back and sides, so won't be completely comparable. Which means that the Masterbilt AJ45 is the closest comparison. And yes, there are also the J35s and J15s. If I were buying now, I'd be paying very close attention to the differences between that particular Masterbilt and those particular Gibsons.

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The main thing that I don't like about my Masterbilt is it sounds really "bright" for lack of a better word. I'm looking for something with a more balanced sound.


That is arguably down to the fact that it is a long-scale guitar. Perhaps you really will like the J15 or J35 because they are short-scale instruments. They typically produce stronger mids, which might equate to more balance for you. But to be sure that the Gibsons are noticeably better, you need to compare with the short-scale Masterbilt model.

View PostMissouriPicker, on 20 March 2017 - 01:24 PM, said:

I have an Alvarez that I love playing, but it's not a J15, etc. Only cost half as much and it sounds great, but it's still not a J15. A long time friend loves his #300 Yamaha. A sweet little guitar, but it's not his Martin D42.


I think MP is talking about the added X factor that you get from a top name guitar (or in Martin's case, from a higher-end top name). But it is also the case that a 300 Yamaha simply is not a Martin D42: they are built differently. The Yammy has a 16 and 3/16-inch lower bout, while the D42 has the usual 15 and 5/8-inch lower bout. The dimensions make a difference to sound. Which also means that the 'it's not a Martin D42' principle works the other way around. If I am ever lucky enough to find a D42 in a nearby shop, it might just convert me to the sound of Martin Dreadnoughts with rosewood back and sides. Some Martin Dreads have more upfront mids than others. But I've not encountered one in person. My experience is that even a very nice D28 won't float my boat. I can really feel its quality, but in the end it still doesn't work for my ears: where some hear rich overtones from a long-scale rosewood/spruce Martin Dread, I just hear the glossy metallic sound of the strings. So chances are that even if I had the money for a Martin D42, and even though the Martin's quality might win hands down, I would still buy a Masterbilt AJ45 instead, because it's not a Martin D42, and the Martin isn't a short-scale mahogany/spruce slopeshoulder.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 06:46 PM

I have been tempted several times to get an Epi MasterBuilr. But every time I go to GC to try some out - I realize it would just sit in the case. As others have already said here - not all but most - when you have both, you always pick up the Gibson.

You can only play one at a time, and life is too short to play a guitar that is less rewarding and enjoyable than you can afford.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:11 PM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 20 March 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

when you have both, you always pick up the Gibson. [/size]



Considering the price and durability in all conditions (weather) i'd gladly get an Epi to carry around a campfire though.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:55 AM

View PostMojorule, on 20 March 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

I know it can seem annoyingly obvious when people here revert to the old try-before-you-buy advice, or else pointless given the number of complaints about how few shops there are with any guitars worth trying, let alone enough examples of different models to really run a comparison. But the old 'it depends what you like' chestnut really does apply here, because you are currently not comparing like to like at all.

All of your examples are drawn from the world of electrics, and based on pairs of instruments which are based on the same design. So a Squier Tele is built according to the same basic plan as a Fender Tele, give or take through-stringing, modern or vintage bridges, tuners, etc. There are some differences in terms of materials (wood type, weight and quality, nitro vs poly finish), probably more in terms of labour cost (not everybody is as convinced as you are that a USA standard Tele is better than a Squier CV 50s). The same goes for your Gibson, Epiphone and Chibson Les Pauls (assuming you are talking about the more convincing Chibsons).

You can't assume, though, that your long-scale Masterbilt is comparable to a J15 in the same way as an Epi LP is comparable to a Gibson LP, or a Squier Tele is comparable to a Fender Tele. It's not just a question of labour costs, workmanship, quality of materials, fit and finish. It's also a question of fundamental design. Comparing a long-scale acoustic to a short-scale acoustic is like comparing a Tele to a Les Paul. If I really like the sound and feel of a Tele and really don't like the sound and feel of a Les Paul, I will probably prefer a Squier Tele to a Gibson LP. The quality issue is secondary to what I really want. So your Masterbilt and a Gibson J15 actually are built to cater for different sorts of players, not just for the same type of player on a different budget. You need to work out whether you really want a better quality long-scale acoustic or a short-scale acoustic before working out whether you want a Masterbilt or a Gibson.

When I bought my Gibson, I had worked out that I really liked the sound of short-scale guitars with a spruce top and mahogany back and sides. I'd also worked out that I preferred the Gibson slopeshoulder variant of that sound over the Martin OOO variant. At that point in time (6 years ago), there were no cheaper alternatives to the Gibson. There weren't even the cheaper Gibsons: no J35s, no J15s. Some long-scale Recording King slopeshoulders appeared around that time (hybrid copies of the J45 and an Advanced Jumbo), but the long scale means they don't sound or feel the same. Or there were Masterbilts like yours (again long scale, so not the same). Now there are closer, short-scale copies of the J45 by Sigma and in the Masterbilt series. The Sigmas have laminated back and sides, so won't be completely comparable. Which means that the Masterbilt AJ45 is the closest comparison. And yes, there are also the J35s and J15s. If I were buying now, I'd be paying very close attention to the differences between that particular Masterbilt and those particular Gibsons.



That is arguably down to the fact that it is a long-scale guitar. Perhaps you really will like the J15 or J35 because they are short-scale instruments. They typically produce strongerexists mids, which might equate to more balance for you. But to be sure that the Gibsons are noticeably better, you need to compare with the short-scale Masterbilt model.



I think MP is talking about the added X factor that you get from a top name guitar (or in Martin's case, from a higher-end top name). But it is also the case that a 300 Yamaha simply is not a Martin D42: they are built differently. The Yammy has a 16 and 3/16-inch lower bout, while the D42 has the usual 15 and 5/8-inch lower bout. The dimensions make a difference to sound. Which also means that the 'it's not a Martin D42' principle works the other way around. If I am ever lucky enough to find a D42 in a nearby shop, it might just convert me to the sound of Martin Dreadnoughts with rosewood back and sides. Some Martin Dreads have more upfront mids than others. But I've not encountered one in person. My experience is that even a very nice D28 won't float my boat. I can really feel its quality, but in the end it still doesn't work for my ears: where some hear rich overtones from a long-scale rosewood/spruce Martin Dread, I just hear the glossy metallic sound of the strings. So chances are that even if I had the money for a Martin D42, and even though the Martin's quality might win hands down, I would still buy a Masterbilt AJ45 instead, because it's not a Martin D42, and the Martin isn't a short-scale mahogany/spruce slopeshoulder.


Dude....obviously the guitars are somewhat different. They're still all acoustics. The reason Epiphone exists is as a budget line for Gibson. Epiphones (in most cases unless you're talking some Elitist models) are lower end price wise and in many cases they are budget variations/versions of Gibsons. Epiphone exists for the same reason Squire exists. The only difference is before being taken over by Gibson Epiphone was its own company and old Epiphones have a good rep so occasionally a modern Epiphone is a nonbudget guitar. But for the most part Epiphones are Gibson's budget line. A new Masterbilt retails for (last I checked, I bought mine used) well below a thousand dollars. There are no Gibson accoustics available for below a thousand last time I checked. The Gibson and Epiphone are designed for completely different price points. There are still a million comparisons online between Masterbilts and Gibsons online though. You can absolutely compare them just like I compared my cheap POS Chinese Fender acoustic to the Masterbilt I bought.

When anyone asks any question regarding how a guitar sounds or advice on models etc......anyone could just reply "play them for yourself".

That's trite and annoying and accomplishes nothing. Yet every single time someone asks a question like this someone replies with "only you can decide.....each guitar is different". When you go to buy a guitar do you sit and play every single guitar in the store before deciding? I sure don't. Because I've done my research before hand and have an idea of what I'm looking for.

I realize when you buy a Gibson....or a Martin....or a Fender.....or any other really high end guitar a sizeable portion of what you're paying for is the name. Like others have asked is a Gibson LP Custom that costs 5,000 (MSRP anyway) that much better than an Epiphone LP Custom which can be bought for a fraction of that? No, but the Gibson is better. The question is how much better?

Which is my question. I own an Epiphone. I'm not entirely happy with it. I asked for advice on the lower priced Gibsons.....you know....because this is the Gibson acoustic forum (or have I already said that?). My question is are the lower end Gibsons worth the extra money? That's OBVIOUSLY SUBJECTIVE but I still want to know the opinions of others who have ACTUAL EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE WITH THE GUITARS I'M INTERESTED IN. Just telling someone to go play guitars isn't helpful. Just telling them no one can decide which guitars sound best to them is not helpful.

Yet someone has to do it every single time. I called it in my first post in this thread. Again: OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT GOING TO JUST BUY A GUITAR BECAUSE SOMEONE HERE RECOMMENDED IT. I wanted advice and recomendations. Why you guys feel the need to tell me "no one can make that decision for you" is beyond me. No one is making a decision for me. They're giving me recommendations and advice.

I really don't get why you guys always think you need to tell someone "all guitars are different....play them all.....only you can decide". Like I said, it's trite, obvious and unhelpful. I told the other guy that and you doubled down on it.

I really don't get it.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 05:59 AM

View PostMafy31, on 20 March 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

Considering the price and durability in all conditions (weather) i'd gladly get an Epi to carry around a campfire though.


I'd hope a Gibson would be just as durable. I take pride in scratches and dents and dings and worn spots on my guitars. It means I've played them.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:32 AM

View PostAllenjason95, on 21 March 2017 - 05:55 AM, said:

I really don't get why you guys always think you need to tell someone "all guitars are different....play them all.....only you can decide".


Because all guitars are different and only you know what is right for you, and it isn't just these guys, it's been true in all kinds of places for all of my almost 50 years with guitars. If it wasn't true, and anybody could tell you what is right, we would all be playing the same thing. You might hate all of my guitars, so what good would that possibly do you? I think a lot of people are deliberately trying not to trash one brand or price range over another, because guitars are truly something you can throw money at, so I'll defy that for a few.

I don't use cheap guitars at all, with one exception that is purely sentimental. I will not forego the expensive good ones for a cheap-o "great for the money" guitar, not at all, I don't know how many more nights I have of this so I'm not wasting any.

Crap guitars only sound so good and you can do no more. Great, expensive, well made guitars are waiting for you to catch up to them and make them as good as they can be.

The Epiphone Masterbilts I've played had no business hanging next to the Taylors and Martins they were with, and I don't even like Taylors. I wouldn't give you the 600 bucks they want for one for three of them. The higher priced Gibsons are no better than the lower priced Gibsons, in the acoustic saloon where these mooks hang out. Out in the other room where we fix our hair and arpeggiate Slash riffs, it's different. If I were you I wouldn't buy either, I'd be looking at Martins.

So there you go. You can listen to an old kook like me or you can...go try a couple of each and prove me wrong, for you.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:27 AM

View Postrct, on 21 March 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

Because all guitars are different and only you know what is right for you, and it isn't just these guys, it's been true in all kinds of places for all of my almost 50 years with guitars. If it wasn't true, and anybody could tell you what is right, we would all be playing the same thing. You might hate all of my guitars, so what good would that possibly do you? I think a lot of people are deliberately trying not to trash one brand or price range over another, because guitars are truly something you can throw money at, so I'll defy that for a few.

I don't use cheap guitars at all, with one exception that is purely sentimental. I will not forego the expensive good ones for a cheap-o "great for the money" guitar, not at all, I don't know how many more nights I have of this so I'm not wasting any.

Crap guitars only sound so good and you can do no more. Great, expensive, well made guitars are waiting for you to catch up to them and make them as good as they can be.

The Epiphone Masterbilts I've played had no business hanging next to the Taylors and Martins they were with, and I don't even like Taylors. I wouldn't give you the 600 bucks they want for one for three of them. The higher priced Gibsons are no better than the lower priced Gibsons, in the acoustic saloon where these mooks hang out. Out in the other room where we fix our hair and arpeggiate Slash riffs, it's different. If I were you I wouldn't buy either, I'd be looking at Martins.

So there you go. You can listen to an old kook like me or you can...go try a couple of each and prove me wrong, for you.

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Great points. Instead of all the guitar reviews, comparisons, evaluations, message boards, etc etc etc on the Internet where people ask questions about guitars and discuss guitars and compare guitars we should just have a permanent banner that reads "only you can decide which guitar is for you. Go play them all."

I don't know what I was thinking.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:33 AM

View PostAllenjason95, on 21 March 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

Great points. Instead of all the guitar reviews, comparisons, evaluations, message boards, etc etc etc on the Internet where people ask questions about guitars and discuss guitars and compare guitars we should just have a permanent banner that reads "only you can decide which guitar is for you. Go play them all."

I don't know what I was thinking.


If you don't like answers you shouldn't be asking questions.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:33 AM

RCT, I think AllenJason's point was that he's been around the block and already knows that guitars sound different, that it's a personal decision, etc. He was just hoping to get some others opinions on the cost/benefit of Gibson vs Epi Masterbuilts like he already has. I'm guessing he's already played a few Gibsons or wouldn't be interested in them specifically. If it were Martins he thought was the direction he wanted to go, he'd seek opinions from a forum where people might lurk who've played both to get their thoughts.
Unlike most who get responses similar to the cliche 'all guitars are different, you have to play them to know,' etc. who just skip those - the OP felt compelled to let a couple of folks know he was aware of that concept.
I think the confusion is based on whether you would expect anyone to answer "NO!" to the question "Is the difference in price between a Gibson and a Masterbuilt justified?" here on a Gibson Forum.
If you go to Amazon, and look at any product you'll find in the 'reviews' section - "Questions & Answers". Some of the questions are a little strange, but you're always guaranteed a laugh if you read the 'answers'.
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" I think they have purple. No one wants a red hat."
" Here's a link to some nice red shoes."
And my favorite - shows up all the time: "I don't know." What kind of person takes the time to log on and answer a question stating they don't know the answer to the question?
So - I guess AlanJason just hasn't been de-sensitized enough yet to this internet phenomena. A few more posts here and he'll be like the rest of us.
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View Postfortyearspickn, on 21 March 2017 - 07:33 AM, said:

RCT, I think AllenJason's point was that he's been around the block and already knows that guitars sound different, that it's a personal decision, etc. He was just hoping to get some others opinions on the cost/benefit of Gibson vs Epi Masterbuilts like he already has. I'm guessing he's already played a few Gibsons or wouldn't be interested in them specifically. If it were Martins he thought was the direction he wanted to go, he'd seek opinions from a forum where people might lurk who've played both to get their thoughts.
Unlike most who get responses similar to the cliche 'all guitars are different, you have to play them to know,' etc. who just skip those - the OP felt compelled to let a couple of folks know he was aware of that concept.
I think the confusion is based on whether you would expect anyone to answer "NO!" to the question "Is the difference in price between a Gibson and a Masterbuilt justified?" here on a Gibson Forum.
If you go to Amazon, and look at any product you'll find in the 'reviews' section - "Questions & Answers". Some of the questions are a little strange, but you're always guaranteed a laugh if you read the 'answers'.
"Does this hat come in red?" " I got blue."
" I think they have purple. No one wants a red hat."
" Here's a link to some nice red shoes."
And my favorite - shows up all the time: "I don't know." What kind of person takes the time to log on and answer a question stating they don't know the answer to the question?
So - I guess AlanJason just hasn't been de-sensitized enough yet to this internet phenomena. A few more posts here and he'll be like the rest of us.


All true.

But if you need pots and pans, do you ask the guy that cooks regularly and listen patiently as he tells you the pluses and minuses of the different types, and that you may have to buy one of a few kinds to figure out what works for you, or do you eff him off because you don't need to hear "all different what works for you"?

If you need new knives for the kitchen, do you just ask your loaf sister who never cooks where she got her Wal*Mart knives or do you listen to an actual chef tell you there are three basic types, best to get a small paring knife of each and try them, see which balance and blade material you like" and then eff him off because you don't have time for "different what works for you"?

Do you just buy the car yer neighbor has even though it is too big for what you had in mind but you just don't want to hear "I don't know man...go test drive a few...".

If you've been around the block enough times to know that internet reviews are crap usually posted by dew-eyed Unicorn Hunters that have found the holy grail you know enough to know that you have to go out and play them. You also, usually, know enough to not get all pee oohhed about the answers, because that's just stupid and negates asking questions so instead of "why bother" with the answers, really, "why bother" with the question you don't want the answer to?

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:47 AM

View Postrct, on 21 March 2017 - 07:43 AM, said:

All true.

But if you need pots and pans, do you ask the guy that cooks regularly and listen patiently as he tells you the pluses and minuses of the different types, and that you may have to buy one of a few kinds to figure out what works for you, or do you eff him off because you don't need to hear "all different what works for you"?

If you need new knives for the kitchen, do you just ask your loaf sister who never cooks where she got her Wal*Mart knives or do you listen to an actual chef tell you there are three basic types, best to get a small paring knife of each and try them, see which balance and blade material you like" and then eff him off because you don't have time for "different what works for you"?

Do you just buy the car yer neighbor has even though it is too big for what you had in mind but you just don't want to hear "I don't know man...go test drive a few...".

If you've been around the block enough times to know that internet reviews are crap usually posted by dew-eyed Unicorn Hunters that have found the holy grail you know enough to know that you have to go out and play them. You also, usually, know enough to not get all pee oohhed about the answers, because that's just stupid and negates asking questions so instead of "why bother" with the answers, really, "why bother" with the question you don't want the answer to?

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:49 AM

View Postrct, on 21 March 2017 - 07:33 AM, said:

If you don't like answers you shouldn't be asking questions.

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I asked for advice and recommendations....you answered "only you can decide what's right for you".

If you don't have anything to actually add....you shouldn't be TRYING to answer the questions.

Really, you didn't answer what I asked. I mean....everyone has different tastes? You don't say lol. What are you going to tell us next? Water is wet?
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:49 AM

 Allenjason95, on 21 March 2017 - 05:59 AM, said:

I'd hope a Gibson would be just as durable. I take pride in scratches and dents and dings and worn spots on my guitars. It means I've played them.

Sure. And quite likely anyone here who isn't basically a 'furniture buyer' takes similar pride in honest play wear. You'd hope a Gibson would be just as durable as a less-expensive (say import Epi) alternative? Not going to happen.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:50 AM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 21 March 2017 - 07:33 AM, said:

RCT, I think AllenJason's point was that he's been around the block and already knows that guitars sound different, that it's a personal decision, etc. He was just hoping to get some others opinions on the cost/benefit of Gibson vs Epi Masterbuilts like he already has. I'm guessing he's already played a few Gibsons or wouldn't be interested in them specifically. If it were Martins he thought was the direction he wanted to go, he'd seek opinions from a forum where people might lurk who've played both to get their thoughts.
Unlike most who get responses similar to the cliche 'all guitars are different, you have to play them to know,' etc. who just skip those - the OP felt compelled to let a couple of folks know he was aware of that concept.
I think the confusion is based on whether you would expect anyone to answer "NO!" to the question "Is the difference in price between a Gibson and a Masterbuilt justified?" here on a Gibson Forum.
If you go to Amazon, and look at any product you'll find in the 'reviews' section - "Questions & Answers". Some of the questions are a little strange, but you're always guaranteed a laugh if you read the 'answers'.
"Does this hat come in red?" " I got blue."
" I think they have purple. No one wants a red hat."
" Here's a link to some nice red shoes."
And my favorite - shows up all the time: "I don't know." What kind of person takes the time to log on and answer a question stating they don't know the answer to the question?
So - I guess AlanJason just hasn't been de-sensitized enough yet to this internet phenomena. A few more posts here and he'll be like the rest of us.


Why is someone asking for simple advice and recommendations is so confusing and upsetting to guys like RCT?
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:51 AM

View PostAllenjason95, on 21 March 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

I asked for advice and recommendations....you answered "only you can decide what's right for you".

If you don't have anything to actually add....you shouldn't be TRYING to answer the questions.

Really, you didn't answer what I asked. I mean....everyone has different tastes? You don't say lol. What are you going to tell us next? Water is wet?


Buy a fukking Martin and shut the fukk up.

Answer enough for you?

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:51 AM

View PostOldCowboy, on 21 March 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

Sure. And quite likely anyone here who isn't basically a 'furniture buyer' takes similar pride in honest play wear. You'd hope a Gibson would be just as durable as a less-expensive (say import Epi) alternative? Not going to happen.


What are you trying to say dude? That a Gibson isn't as durable as an Epiphone? Why?
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 07:53 AM

View Postrct, on 21 March 2017 - 07:51 AM, said:

Buy a fukking Martin and shut the fukk up.

Answer enough for you?

rct


So in addition to having reading comprehension problems you have serious anger issues.

Why did you even bother to reply? Why do you keep replying? Nobody nearby to yell at in real life?
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