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I haven't seen any PRS hate. I've never tried one, can't get past the looks, that's clearly personal and subjective though.

 

It bothers me when I have a hangup about 'looks', but I cant deny it affects me greatly. I did overcome it when I bought my LP because I have always thought they look boring. I love the sound & feel of my LP but still think it looks dull.

 

I love the look of the PRS Mira. Never played one (so far).

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I love the look of the PRS Mira. Never played one (so far).

 

guitar player in my sons band (Uslights, on spoitfy, look em up!) has one. nice axe, it's feather light too.

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"it's feather light too."

 

 

That said not all of them are many exceed 8+ lbs in the 24 Custom and 22 Custom and McCarty area. I do think their CE model was in general lighter and perhaps has the greatest broader appeal to players, its a staple in their line and rightly so. To me the maple bolt on necks are simply better sounding electrics in their line. Very subjective area but I do think a good deal of PRS players would agree with me.

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Hey Guy's You listen to this story, because I think I was more than fair and patient with Gibson and their Les Paul's.

 

First and foremost I was born in 69 so I grew up in the 70's and 80's, knowing all the while once I became interested in playing music & guitars that the brands to get were either Gibson, Fender or Rickenbacker, because as some of you may know PRS didn't really get going with mass production until about 85.

 

However my older brother got me into Gibson, I just loved how they looked and sounded and I always said I'll buy my own Les Paul some day, well I am now 48 years old and I have owned various guitars over the years, but none of them with the exact specs I wanted, so I waited, then in 2017 Gibson put out their new traditional model, and I looked over the specs, and it had exactly what I wanted.

 

From the SOLID non weight relieved body, to the rosewood fingerboard, kluson tuners, burstbucker 1 & 2 pickups, neck profile & binding, body color....everything was finally exactly how I wanted it.

So of course I go to my local music store and order one, well I eagerly awaited it's arrival and once it arrived I looked it over.

 

Now something you should know about me, when I am buying something, anything that costs thousands of dollars, and it's brand new, it had better be perfect, because I don't have that kind of money to spend very often as I'm sure is the same for most of you. Plus I don't leave the guitar out of the hardshell case at any time other than when I'm playing it, and even after I play it I wipe it down and handle it with ultra care to say the least.

 

So now that you know that about me, I unbox the guitar and I open the case and I carefully look over the guitar and on top of the flame maple was a dark spot in the wood that was about the size of a dime in diameter, and then around the lower bout or cutaway where the binding goes around and separates the top finish from the back finish, it was almost as if someone came up behind the person that was applying the binding and bumped their arm, because there was like a semi circle reveal that clearly showed the paint seam, where on the rest of the guitar the seam was covered.

 

This to me looked like a major flaw so I brought it back to the store and even another customer that was leaning over checking out the guitar while I was pointing out these defects to the sales guy commented " that she was surprised that they let it leave the factory like this"....the sales guy repeated that also when he saw it.

 

Needless to say I returned it and ordered another one, it arrived, and had the exact same flaw with the binding, so again the guitar went back, I tried for a third time to order the guitar and now weeks were going by that I'm trying to get this done without this flaw, but the third one arrived with the same defect or so it was what I was calling it because that's what it looked like.

 

Finally the sales guy called Gibson to ask about this specific defect with the binding on this model, and Gibson tells him " it's not a defect, it's the traditional model and that's how they were made back in the late 50's, early 60's " So then I told the guy, " that I didn't give a rats *** if that's how they were made back then because aesthetically it looks like a defect, it looks horrible ".

 

So I returned the guitar, and went home and did some research, and it just so happens that PRS put out a guitar over a year ago called a PRS McCarty 594 and it was GORGEOUS, thicker body than any other PRS in existence, equal thickness to the Les Paul, with mahogany bound neck and body with flame maple top, two tone and two volume knobs, tone knobs are pull out coil tap, 3 way switch, rosewood fretboard, MOTHER OF PEARL INLAYS, NOT ACRYLIC, BONE NUT NOT TEKTOID, METAL jack plate NOT PLASTIC, this beast was superior to the Les Paul in everyway, even the 58/15 LT pickups were of equal sound and quality to the fat creamy PAF's of the 59 Les Paul.

 

However with the flawless 10 top which is what I wanted, it was a $4200 guitar, but guess what, I've heard enough about PRS to know for a fact that the guitar was going to arrive flawless and it did, it's PERFECT, the aesthetics, the feel, the sound, and the craftsmanship is unmatched by anything I've ever seen or owned.

 

I've even educated myself on PRS and watched countless factory tour video's, read articles and listened to Paul Reed Smith give lectures on guitar building and the whole process of it, and he's doing things Gibson has never even thought of...For example, Gibson mass produces hundreds of guitar necks a day to be fitted to their guitars.

It takes PRS 30 days to complete one neck, and most of you might think that's stupid or retarded or not productive enough for such a huge company, however the reason why they do this, is because when wood is shaved down, be it by hand or machine, the wood moves, so it has to be slowly removed, sanded leveled over and over to ensure it is always straight and always in tune...Do I know it works? Your damn right I do.

 

The PRS McCarty 594 is thee only guitar I've ever received and received it on a hot 90 degree day with 80% humidity off of a UPS truck with no AC and I took it out of the case, plugged it into my digital tuner, and it was in PERFECT TUNE, I did not have to touch one tuning key.....That has NEVER happened with any Gibson, Fender or Rickenbacker that I have bought over the years...NEVER.

 

Well that's my story, and for those of you who may work for Gibson that might read this, you are not the company you used to be in the 70's and 80's, nor do you put out the flawless craftsmanship you were once so famous for, and it's a shame, but I'm sure you could care less about one man's loss of business, but you have lost it for the remainder of my life, from now on I am a PRS fan only.....I was more than fair with your product but your quality control is lacking, even if that was how the binding was supposed to look it looked like a cosmetic defect, and aside from that the top maple had flaws and blemishes that you would have never let leave the factory 30 years ago.

Farewell Gibson.

 

 

I have several Gibsons & Epiphones. All are exceptional. ES 335, 2 LP's, J-160E, 3 Casino's, Texan & a Firebird V, I've had many others over the years as far back as a 1959 ES345 which was magic.

 

It's too bad you had that experience. If you were wanting another choice I'm surprised you didn't consider Heritage. Who, basically, is the real Gibson. They still build in Kalamazoo with original Kalamazoo moulds, forms, tools etc. by some of the original Kalamazoo guys or next gen guys trained by them. Very fine Guitars indeed.

 

Another excellent choice would've been Collings who makes amazing Guitars. Especially at your price point.

 

I have tried to get into PRS but for me they don't do anything for me. They're pretty though.

 

I have had a couple issues with Epi & Gibson. In each case I dealt with the Factory. In each case they shipped the Guitars to them at no cost to me & resolved all issues at no cost to me either. I've had good luck with Gibson & Epi.

 

Wish I could say the same for my experiences with Fender.

 

Best of luck with your PRS.

 

Lars

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This joker is macmutt? Used to go by that name here! Megatroll!

 

And he has 2 accounts here. Against the rules. Reported.

 

[laugh] and so, in angling parlance, Mr Mutt once again proves to be a 'master baiter', just as surely as the road from Umbrage to High Dudgeon runs through the scenic villages of southern England...

 

...and all is well in the world. [smile]

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Hold on, just looked at the PRS forum thread....This joker is macmutt? Used to go by that name here!...

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Author of the 'Weight-relieved Les Pauls aren't Les Pauls' (or something) thread amongst others. That explains the complete lack of knowledge. Easily the most unintelligent, illogical and idiotic poster who has ever visited this forum.

 

Pip.

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[laugh] and so, in angling parlance, Mr Mutt once again proves to be a 'master baiter', just as surely as the road from Umbrage to High Dudgeon runs through the scenic villages of southern England...

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...yet some tantalising new evidence has come to light which suggests that Macmutt, himself, has settled in France;

 

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Pip.

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The moderator over at the PRS forums apparently had enough of his nonsense as well and locked the thread saying:

 

"Ok, that's probably enough bashing for now.

 

Besides, it's a bit unseemly to use a company sponsored forum to denigrate a competing company.

 

Let's return to talking about PRS guitars."

 

I wonder if he's going to hit Fender or Ibanez forums next?

 

Silly trolls.

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I don't understand anybody bashing instruments one plays...move on, if it's not "your cup of tea".

 

I suppose the OP is more into looking at his guitar than playing... each to his own opinion. Somebody mentioned, the OP got booted out at the PRS, too? LOL. He probably ended up with a Fender or a Chibson.

 

Anyways, at 70 years old and playing since 12, I always sound like "me" no matter what I play! OK, unfortunately, I forget a lot of licks I use know.

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Tell us then, why have you consistently started contentious threads and then disappeared.

 

Here I am I haven't disappeared, I check the post every day.

 

 

 

How is weight relief cutting corners?

 

More mass equals more sustain, simple physics, why haven't other manufacturers cut wood out of their guitar bodies if it's such a revolutionary new way to get more out of it?...I'll tell you why because it's not, Gibson takes out the wood, and tries to substitute for the lack of it by putting in hotter pick ups....they gave in to whiny babies of today that complained Les Paul's were too heavy to hold for any length of time.

 

The inlays are as they have always been

 

No their not, all Gibson's inlays used to be mother of pearl, now their acrylic, plastic crap.

 

 

 

 

Made in Gibson's worst period?

That's your opinion, my opinion is the 90' and early 2000's was Gibson's worst period

 

 

 

Used to be when? They've been through some bad times but they seem to be the times you think we're good.

 

That's all subjective, I believe the 70's and 80's were Gibson's best times and the 90's and 2000's were their worst, and the sales figures seem to back me up not you.

 

 

 

You still haven't addressed the binding/cuttaway/maple cap thing. Surely all those other Les Pauls you've tried had the same. They all do. Did you not notice?

 

 

Yes I did notice that they all had it, that still doesn't mean I like the way it looked, It looked defective, and their maple caps were far from perfect or even book matched.

 

 

 

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Author of the 'Weight-relieved Les Pauls aren't Les Pauls' (or something) thread amongst others. That explains the complete lack of knowledge. Easily the most unintelligent, illogical and idiotic poster who has ever visited this forum.

 

Pip.

 

LOL oh well so I've been found out, but between my 30 years experience and my brothers 45 years experience, I've forgotten more about guitar building, playing and manufacturing then you'll ever know.

 

 

And YES weight relieved Les Paul's are not Les Paul's, and no one in this forum has a guitar that is fit to even be in the same room as my PRS, Gibson dropped the ball years ago and I hope PRS, Fender and Rickenbacker, get all Gibson's business, because they've burned me too many times.

 

 

You'll never have the knowledge I possess on guitars and your not worthy to much less own a PRS 594 let alone be able to afford one, so run home to mommy little boy and maybe if your lucky they'll buy you a real guitar for Christmas, so you can toss that hollowed out piece of crap with the plastic richlite finger board and inlays into the garbage.

 

 

Now get lost.

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LOL oh well so I've been found out, but between my 30 years experience and my brothers 45 years experience, I've forgotten more about guitar building, playing and manufacturing then you'll ever know.

 

Now this is funny. In my 36 years experience of playing guitar, I also learned spelling and grammar along the way. I think this guy is 21 at best.

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Now this is funny. In my 36 years experience of playing guitar, I also learned spelling and grammar along the way. I think this guy is 21 at best.

 

Now my last reply would be that of a troll, and a petty person trying to praise himself and his guitar over all others,,,, and if you believed it for a second then I truly feel sorry for you because the only people that would talk like that or think like that are under the age of 5.

 

 

So please stop shopping for an argument I'll always love all the major guitar brands and hopefully in the future things will improve on all issues that I may have been concerned about with Gibson.

 

 

 

 

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Now this is funny. In my 36 years experience of playing guitar, I also learned spelling and grammar along the way. I think this guy is 21 at best.

 

 

Now my last reply would be that of a troll, and a petty person trying to praise himself and his guitar over all others,,,, and if you believed it for a second then I truly feel sorry for you because the only people that would talk like that or think like that are under the age of 5.

 

 

So please stop shopping for an argument I'll always love all the major guitar brands and hopefully in the future things will improve on all issues that I may have been concerned about with Gibson.

 

The strange thing here is that MichaelT didn't question your point at all, he made a petty quip about your grammar (@MichaelT, a troll must be trolled. Good effort. Not calling you petty in seriousness) but somehow that's not what you've responded to. It's as if you've convinced yourself you're normal.

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...I think this guy is 21 at best...

We are talking about I.Q, right?

 

...please stop shopping for an argument...

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Too Funny!

 

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Why did you log in as Bluesy69 instead of Macmutt, BTW? Too embarrassed lest we should remember your past efforts and guess your Trollish intents?

 

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Pip.

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Do you see, Pip, do ya see?

Yup. Ah See, Scales....but ah ha'ny go' mah guhn, Dang-Nabbit!!!

 

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Pip.

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How is weight relief cutting corners?

 

More mass equals more sustain, simple physics, why haven't other manufacturers cut wood out of their guitar bodies if it's such a revolutionary new way to get more out of it?...I'll tell you why because it's not, Gibson takes out the wood, and tries to substitute for the lack of it by putting in hotter pick ups....they gave in to whiny babies of today that complained Les Paul's were too heavy to hold for any length of time.

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It's still more work and the wood turns into dust

 

 

The inlays are as they have always been

No their not, all Gibson's inlays used to be mother of pearl, now their acrylic, plastic crap.

 

Simply not true.

 

 

You still haven't addressed the binding/cuttaway/maple cap thing. Surely all those other Les Pauls you've tried had the same. They all do. Did you not notice?

 

 

Yes I did notice that they all had it, that still doesn't mean I like the way it looked, It looked defective, and their maple caps were far from perfect or even book matched.

 

But, but, you said this was all about a decline in quality. A 1959 Les Paul has the cap showing under the binding, and a 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 60, 68, 69, 70, and 71, and many models in the years to 2002. Do you consider all of these to be bad? Not quite lining up with what you've said.

 

Do tell us more.

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Ah haha, I read some more. This is brilliant. Say some more. I can't wait...

This one was one of my favourites;

 

...no one in this forum has a guitar that is fit to even be in the same room as my PRS...

So Duane V's genuine 1959 sunburst Standard doesn't quite cut the mustard with you, Macmutt?

Which does sort of beg the question;

 

"What Les Paul Actually Would Be Good Enough For Macmutt?"...

 

Answers on a postcard, please, to the usual address;

Arse Mcmutt,

3 Arse Gardens,

Arsenal,

Anus,

France.

 

Pip.

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You know; we really do have to hand it to old Macmutt, here.

 

He might bear a striking resemblance to that little piece of stuff which you scrape off your shoe, politely, before entering a cowfield but he does give us insights in to the mind of The Village Idiot without the discomfort of our having to leave home.

 

Pip.

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Please let there be more.

How could there not be?!?!?

 

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Pip.

 

EDIT : I just noticed what you did in post #76, Farns. Subtle (if you've had a schooner or two)!

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How could there not be?!?!?

 

Pip.

 

Well, you could always go back and revisit last week's effort Gibson has serious quality control issues again, and reminisce [biggrin]

 

I hand it to the dude - he's one of the best at what he does. (And no, it ain't me - I have just the one, albeit stupid, unchanged profile).

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