rct Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Larsongs said: Most of those “fans” don’t know squat about Gear or care how pretty it is…. Most of those “fans” can’t carry a tune in a bucket.. Most of those “fans” are there to Party & hopefully get laid. You should probably trade two or three of yours for a bit of a sense of humor. rct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, rct said: And if you need to read what I wrote again, go ahead, take a break and read it again, because I said nothing at all even close to anything you are writing in response. I made a joke about having two sets of guitars, nothing else. I care what you use even less. rct Guitars are for looking at. Come on your not taking them with you. Play them and let other enjoy them too. My step son and son can split up my 6 Martins once I die. I won't need them then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Larsongs said: Most of those “fans” are there to Party & hopefully get laid. When has that ever been a bad thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard McCoy Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) I would assume not many players here are in the market for an Epiphone EJ-200. I certainly am not. Edited January 29, 2022 by Leonard McCoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucebubs Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Leonard McCoy said: I would assume not many players here are in the market for an Epiphone EJ-200. I certainly am not. The gap between my 2012 laminate Epiphone EJ-200 and 2020 Custom Historic 1957 SJ-200 is enormous .. but so was the price difference. The newer all solid wood Epiphone 'Inspired by Gibson' range goes some way to closing that gap. The Epiphone IBG Hummingbird I have is a nice guitar ... it's not a Gibson but it's still a great guitar for the money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 8:24 PM, Sgt. Pepper said: I wouldn't buy one. My guitars are made in America. Nothing wrong with guitars made out of the USA, I am just not supporting them or buying them. Chief, Philosophical question. I have two American-made guitars, and three made elsewhere (Japan, Indonesia and China). (I guess as a Canadian, I can say that all five of mine were foreign made, but I digress.) Does it count as support for those made off-shore if they were purchased used? RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RBSinTo said: Chief, Philosophical question. I have two American-made guitars, and three made elsewhere (Japan, Indonesia and China). (I guess as a Canadian, I can say that all five of mine were foreign made, but I digress.) Does it count as support for those made off-shore if they were purchased used? RBSinTo Initially they were. Of my 6, 5 I got used. I would love to try a Lowden. I’ve played Seagulls and they never wowed me and I have never seen a Godin acoustic only an electric. Edited January 30, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 50 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Initially they were. Of my 6, 5 I got used. I would love to try a Lowden. I’ve played Seagulls and they never wowed me and I have never seen a Godin acoustic only an electric. Chief, What I meant was that while three other persons originally purchased my off-shore guitars and so were supporting the manufacturers. when I purchased the guitars, financially, the companies received no benefit, or direct support from me. As for the Canadian made Seagull guitars, I have a musician bud who has a very nice spruce/maple acoustic that I was interested in. However, when he vacillated about selling it, I ended up purchasing a Chinese made Guild GAD jf-30 spruce/maple jumbo, which serves me very well. As I recall, you also owned one some years ago, and we discussed it at the Guild guitar site. RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RBSinTo said: Chief, What I meant was that while three other persons originally purchased my off-shore guitars and so were supporting the manufacturers. when I purchased the guitars, financially, the companies received no benefit, or direct support from me. As for the Canadian made Seagull guitars, I have a musician bud who has a very nice spruce/maple acoustic that I was interested in. However, when he vacillated about selling it, I ended up purchasing a Chinese made Guild GAD jf-30 spruce/maple jumbo, which serves me very well. As I recall, you also owned one some years ago, and we discussed it at the Guild guitar site. RBSinTo Your right you did not support overseas makers. I did have the USA made JF-30. It was a beast. Maple is a tone wood that I just am not a big fan of. I love my RW guitars but I think Hog and Spruce is the best combo. My 000-18 sounds amazing and may be my favorite I own right now. Now that being said my D-28 Standard when I had it was killer to. Edited January 30, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Your right you did not support overseas makers. I did have the USA made JF-30. It was a beast. Maple is a tone wood that I just am not a big fan of. I love my RW guitars but I think Hog and Spruce is the best combo. My 000-18 sounds amazing and may be my favorite I own right now. Now that being said my D-28 Standard when I had it was killer to. Chief, Right. Your jf-30 was the American made Guild, while mine is the Guild-designed, Chinese made version. I believe the major difference between them is that yours had solid wood sides and back, while mine are laminated. As for the tonewood combinations, I have a Spruce/Rosewood D-28, Spruce/ Mahogony j-45, Spruce/Maple jf-30, and Rosewood/Rosewood Washburn parlour. There are sufficient differences among the four guitars that make direct sound comparisons difficult, so suffice it to say that I like them all. I can say that they all sound different, but to me, trying to describe sound in words is futile, so I won't even try. However if faced with the desert island/one guitar problem, I'd take the Martin. RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) I’m not trying to offend anyone, like you all, just stating my opinions.. Most audiences care if it sounds good & has a good groove… Makes you want to party & hopefully get laid… There ain’t nothing wrong with that at all.. That’s what it’s all about.. 99% know nothing about what Gear you use or care.. Usually the 1% who do are Cork Sniffers who are seldom impressed with anything… I play for the 99%… Doesn't matter if it’s $50.00 Guitar or a $5000.00 Guitar.. Or a $50,000.00 Guitar. My preference to take or not take a Guitar is my personal preference. Nothing more.. I have nothing against others who like taking a USA, MIJ, MIC, MIK or a Mickey Mouse Guitar.. As long as they sound & play good.. The new EJ200’s Specs sound quite interesting to me I'd like to try one.. I’ve played older ones that I wouldn’t give 2 cents for.. But, the new ones Specs are quite close to Gibsons. Spruce top, Maple back & sides, Bone Nut etc.. Some of the newer Epi’s are really nice Guitars. This one could be also… Maybe not… Still I’m curious.. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EJ200ANAGH--epiphone-inspired-by-gibson-j-200-acoustic-guitar-aged-natural-antique-gloss Edited January 30, 2022 by Larsongs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Very interesting to see the current Epiphone jumbo offering at Sweetwater. Whether it be the currently utilized Indonesian Samick factory, or Terada-Japan, or Peerless-Korea, they’ve all been capable of building instruments that are equal to those from the USA in build quality. But per the key factor, their Epiphone branded products reflect specifications as predetermined by Gibson, with the goal of fitting neatly into specific price points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard McCoy Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, bobouz said: Whether it be the currently utilized Indonesian Samick factory, or Terada-Japan, or Peerless-Korea, they’ve all been capable of building instruments that are equal to those from the USA in build quality. Not really, not even close. Edited January 30, 2022 by Leonard McCoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Leonard McCoy said: Not really, not even close. Well actually, very close Leonard. What I'm saying here is that these top tier pacific rim factories have the capability to build as high quality of a guitar as you want. They are rarely asked to do so by the companies that contract out with them, and instead have traditionally filled the roll of producing entry & mid level instruments. A clear and very real example of top-end capability is the Epiphone Elitist line produced in Japan. Terada has manufactured all the hollow, semi-hollow, and acoustic instruments associated with this line since it's inception in 2002. A few years before that, Terada began producing the nitro-finished bodies for the USA-Series Lennon Casino & JLH Sheraton, which were then shipped to Gibson-Nashville for installation of pickups & hardware - and received a "Assembled in USA" sticker on the back of the peghead. Then there was the Adopt-A-Minefield (fundraiser) Paul McCartney Texan in 2005, with a version manufactured by Terada & two versions produced in Bozeman (I recall reading that Terada's version was actually closer to McCartney's original-instrument specs). Terada also manufactured the bodies for an Eric Clapton ES-335 model associated with a Clapton/Guitar Center fundraiser campaign (one instrument per store), and these instruments were sold as full-bore Gibsons. Want impeccable workmanship? Terada can do it all day. Want a flawless nitro finish? They can lay down a thin nitro finish as smooth as glass. Peerless built highly regarded Epiphone models for Gibson for many years through the '90s & early 2000s. Sure, they could have built them with nitro instead of poly, and one-piece necks instead of scarfed, but they were made to fill a price-point niche. There are other factories in Korea today, as well as the Indonesian Samick factory that can build whatever quality guitar you want, and these recent all-solid-wood Epiphone models are an indicator of that. We no longer are talking about highly skilled craftsmen performing tasks by hand at Gibson & Martin for decades, and then retiring from the company. What we now have are significantly automated guitar production lines, with staff that most likely last no longer than five years. The playing field has leveled, and essentially similar production environments now exist in factories outside the USA, with capabilities to match. Edited January 30, 2022 by bobouz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Larsongs said: I’m not trying to offend anyone, like you all, just stating my opinions.. Most audiences care if it sounds good & has a good groove… Makes you want to party & hopefully get laid… There ain’t nothing wrong with that at all.. That’s what it’s all about.. 99% know nothing about what Gear you use or care.. Usually the 1% who do are Cork Sniffers who are seldom impressed with anything… I play for the 99%… Doesn't matter if it’s $50.00 Guitar or a $5000.00 Guitar.. Or a $50,000.00 Guitar. My preference to take or not take a Guitar is my personal preference. Nothing more.. I have nothing against others who like taking a USA, MIJ, MIC, MIK or a Mickey Mouse Guitar.. As long as they sound & play good.. The new EJ200’s Specs sound quite interesting to me I'd like to try one.. I’ve played older ones that I wouldn’t give 2 cents for.. But, the new ones Specs are quite close to Gibsons. Spruce top, Maple back & sides, Bone Nut etc.. Some of the newer Epi’s are really nice Guitars. This one could be also… Maybe not… Still I’m curious.. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EJ200ANAGH--epiphone-inspired-by-gibson-j-200-acoustic-guitar-aged-natural-antique-gloss When I go see a band play live I want it to sound fukin great not just good. When you go out to eat at a nice restaurant do you want them to use the best freshest ingredients or use the scrapes they pick up off the floor? Edited January 30, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: When I go see a band play live I want it to sound fukin great not just good. When you go out to eat at a nice restaurant do you want them to use the best freshest ingredients or use the scrapes they pick up off the floor? A Fukin great Band is a fukin great Band.. It’s more about their level of talent than it is whether or not they’re playing Custom Shop or $10,000.00-$20,000.00 vintage Guitars… Most Fukin Great Bands aren’t playing nice Restaurants.. They’re playing Stadiums… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 hours ago, bobouz said: Well actually, very close Leonard. What I'm saying here is that these top tier pacific rim factories have the capability to build as high quality of a guitar as you want. They are rarely asked to do so by the companies that contract out with them, and instead have traditionally filled the roll of producing entry & mid level instruments. A clear and very real example of top-end capability is the Epiphone Elitist line produced in Japan. Terada has manufactured all the hollow, semi-hollow, and acoustic instruments associated with this line since it's inception in 2002. A few years before that, Terada began producing the nitro-finished bodies for the USA-Series Lennon Casino & JLH Sheraton, which were then shipped to Gibson-Nashville for installation of pickups & hardware - and received a "Assembled in USA" sticker on the back of the peghead. Then there was the Adopt-A-Minefield (fundraiser) Paul McCartney Texan in 2005, with a version manufactured by Terada & two versions produced in Bozeman (I recall reading that Terada's version was actually closer to McCartney's original-instrument specs). Terada also manufactured the bodies for an Eric Clapton ES-335 model associated with a Clapton/Guitar Center fundraiser campaign (one instrument per store), and these instruments were sold as full-bore Gibsons. Want impeccable workmanship? Terada can do it all day. Want a flawless nitro finish? They can lay down a thin nitro finish as smooth as glass. Peerless built highly regarded Epiphone models for Gibson for many years through the '90s & early 2000s. Sure, they could have built them with nitro instead of poly, and one-piece necks instead of scarfed, but they were made to fill a price-point niche. There are other factories in Korea today, as well as the Indonesian Samick factory that can build whatever quality guitar you want, and these recent all-solid-wood Epiphone models are an indicator of that. We no longer are talking about highly skilled craftsmen performing tasks by hand at Gibson & Martin for decades, and then retiring from the company. What we now have are significantly automated guitar production lines, with staff that most likely last no longer than five years. The playing field has leveled, and essentially similar production environments now exist in factories outside the USA, with capabilities to match. I completely agree. Terada & Peerless, in particular, build some of the finest Guitars you can buy.. Terada built Gretsch Guitars arguably are the best Guitars built on the Planet today.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Larsongs said: A Fukin great Band is a fukin great Band.. It’s more about their level of talent than it is whether or not they’re playing Custom Shop or $10,000.00-$20,000.00 vintage Guitars… Most Fukin Great Bands aren’t playing nice Restaurants.. They’re playing Stadiums… I gave up stadium shows ages ago. Sound bouncing all over. If you think sound doesn’t matter then hire the crappiest worst sound guy. Your right not everyone has a 20k LP playing through a dumble amp. But if you got it use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Larsongs said: I completely agree. Terada & Peerless, in particular, build some of the finest Guitars you can buy.. Terada built Gretsch Guitars arguably are the best Guitars built on the Planet today.. Ever play a Preston Thompson? Finest acoustic I ever strummed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: I gave up stadium shows ages ago. Sound bouncing all over. If you think sound doesn’t matter then hire the crappiest worst sound guy. Your right not everyone has a 20k LP playing through a dumble amp. But if you got it use it. How long ago did you quit going? Live Sound has come a long way. I’ve been to Mc Cartney, Eagles & other Stadium Concerts in recent years & the Sound was xlnt… If I had a $20K LP & a Dumble it would be used in the Studio for Recording. Not in a Restaurant… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Ever play a Preston Thompson? Finest acoustic I ever strummed. No. But, I’d like to… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Larsongs said: How long ago did you quit going? Live Sound has come a long way. I’ve been to Mc Cartney, Eagles & other Stadium Concerts in recent years & the Sound was xlnt… If I had a $20K LP & a Dumble it would be used in the Studio for Recording. Not in a Restaurant… The last 3 years or so I’ve only been to 1200 seat places or less. Have tix for 2 upcoming shows. Both 1200 seaters made for music. Rush on the final tour 7 years ago was the last arena I was in. Before CV-19, I attended an Ampatheater show, that summer, but I’ve had enough of that. I’m to old for big crowds of idiots. I don’t think I’d see what is left of The Eagles if they played across street from me for free. Edited January 30, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Larsongs said: No. But, I’d like to… Compare to my Martins which I love, but I would sell them all for that D-18 clone made by them. It was that good. Edited January 30, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 11 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: The last 3 years or so I’ve only been to 1200 seat places or less. Have tix for 2 upcoming shows. Both 1200 seaters made for music. Rush on the final tour 7 years ago was the last arena I was in. Before CV-19, I attended an Ampatheater show, that summer, but I’ve had enough of that. I’m to old for big crowds of idiots. I don’t think I’d see what is left of The Eagles if they played across street from me for free. Agreed. Luckily I saw them many times before Glenn passed away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I watched several YouTubes of these new EJ200’s. I know YouTubes can be deceiving.. After watching several though this Guitar doesn’t impress me as much as it seems like it should.. Given their Specs? In the YouTubes they sound nothing like any of the Gibson J200’s I’ve played. Which sound fantastic! Still I’d like to try one in real life….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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