Sgt. Pepper Posted September 24, 2022 Author Share Posted September 24, 2022 This dude is certified loon. https://apnews.com/0c05a0cf6fb1952a33e105f35007e3a0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 It's a double-edged sword, isn't it? On one hand, we want our musical artists and movie actors to be pure and pristine in their art and craft, and to bring none of their own personal political opinions to the live shows (and movies I guess), but, we also respect the rights of every one of us to be able to express their opinions openly and without fear of retribution. Further, (and does this make it a triple-edged sword?) we all enjoy the freedom to express our strong political opinions, but most of us resent that 'star' musicians and actors seem to make it their mission to use their celebrity as a platform to push their personal political agendas. As though their opinions carry more weight than ours. How many times have we heard, "For God's sake Bruce Springsteen, just play the guitar and sing," or, "Come on, Jon Voight, just act in the movie, and then shut up". Or even, "Holy moly, Michael Moore, order a salad for once, alright? You have more chins than the Hong Kong phone book!!"I'm gonna shut up now. 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 thats a lot of assumed " we" , fwiw , "We" dont want Artists to shut up, even at concerts, or actors , even if disagreeable , also, MM never shut up PLEASE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, jvi said: thats a lot of assumed " we" , fwiw , "We" dont want Artists to shut up, even at concerts, or actors , even if disagreeable , also, MM never shut up PLEASE. We, meaning me want them do their job, and get what We, meaning me again paid for, which is playing music. If I want politics I can turn on CNN or Fox, which is really just BS anyway, or go to a political rally. You just bow down and accept every damn thing thrown at you. When you go out to eat do you want the wait staff to give you their political views every time they come to your table, or do you want them to do their job, which is serving food and drinks. Edited September 25, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: We, meaning me want them do their job, and get what We, meaning me again paid for, which is playing music. If I want politics I can turn on CNN or Fox, which is really just BS anyway, or go to a political rally. You just bow down and accept every damn thing thrown at you. When you go out to eat do you want the wait staff to give you their political views every time they come to your table, or do you want them to do their job, which is serving food and drinks. so folk music was bad and they should have shut up ? gezzus , you sound just like you know who-ski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, jvi said: so folk music was bad and they should have shut up ? gezzus , you sound just like you know who-ski Never said folk music was bad. Waters, Trump, Biden, Springsteen what f tard are you referring too, cause all 4 of them are, f tards. Edited September 25, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 folk was artists stating opinions which you say artists shouldnt do. I say you sure hate a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, jvi said: folk was artists stating opinions which you say artists shouldnt do. I say you sure hate a lot. No folk music is folk music, weather they did that in their music was up to them. Some did some didn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: No folk music is folk music, weather they did that in their music was up to them. Some did some didn’t. huh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, jvi said: huh ? You think every folk singer just sang songs about their opinions, on every song? That is a pretty sweeping generalization. Richard and Linda Thompson were English folkies, and Fairport Convention too. No political BS in their songs that I remember. Not every Dylan song was either. Edited September 25, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 there was mucho political content in folk music, if you didnt hear any thats odd and sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) I'm not surprised Poland was getting ready to kick his butt out. The Poles are arming to the gills in case Putler comes a'calling. Luckily, it appears he's advancing in reverse. Kind of like Roger Water's tour. Edited September 25, 2022 by SteveFord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 3 hours ago, jvi said: there was mucho political content in folk music, if you didnt hear any thats odd and sad. Sarge never claimed to have never heard any political content in folk music. Just that grinding political axes wasn't the mainstay of folk music. And that's true. As an old folkie I can attest that one of the earliest folk songs I learned was one that years later was more fun to play on a 12-string. Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 One thing I will say in Roger Water's defense is at least he put it out there up front. So that anyone with a problem listening to his politics can save their money and not buy ticket. The ones who buy their ticket have nothing to complain about as far as his rants go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 I know Zappa had no problems expressing some of his views off-stage. Did he leave such stuff out of his shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, saturn said: I know Zappa had no problems expressing some of his views off-stage. Did he leave such stuff out of his shows? Saw him 3 times, no political stuff was said at the shows I went to. Steve Ford saw him many times. Steve let us know. Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar Edited September 25, 2022 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 19 hours ago, jvi said: also, MM never shut up PLEASE. Limousine liberalism at its worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 Who is MM? Markey Mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) I recall Frank doing a bit about Reagan's Star Wars (Star Wars won't work, it's a piece of sh*t), a bit about when Reagan mined the harbor in Nicaragua, he changed the lyrics to "he called her a ****, a pig and a Republican" in Dontcha Want A Guy Like Me", there were voter registration tables set up at his later concerts, Pat Robertson, Oliver North and Richard Nixon were featured in his songs so yes, he was political on stage. Before my time he'd have audience participation and he got some Green Berets to come onstage and show everyone what they learned so they bayoneted baby dolls and rip them apart, stuff like that. I was hoping his son would carry on the tradition but it's just note by note, a little improvisation. The only act I've seen recently that expressed political views on stage is Patti Smith and that is because she heard someone in the audience asking her to (no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq). I wasn't offended by Frank or Patti's statements as I agree with them but it didn't make the shows better or worse for me. It's kind of like when Janet Jackson's top was ripped open at the Super Bowl - how do you like that? and then back to the game. I STRONGLY disagree with Roger Water's statements, that would keep me from going to any of his concerts or purchasing any of his music in the future. Edited September 25, 2022 by SteveFord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Whitefang said: Sarge never claimed to have never heard any political content in folk music. Just that grinding political axes wasn't the mainstay of folk music. And that's true. As an old folkie I can attest that one of the earliest folk songs I learned was one that years later was more fun to play on a 12-string. Whitefang seems to me a LOT of " folk " music merged with " protest " music in the 60s, I bought a lot of it , rock too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Pinch said: Limousine liberalism at its worst. if your anti liberal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, jvi said: if your anti liberal.. I'm anti-hypocrites. He railed against "rich people" in his first book. Only problem was he was rich, unless I'm terribly misinformed. I could go on, but then you would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Pinch said: I'm anti-hypocrites. He railed against "rich people" in his first book. Only problem was he was rich, unless I'm terribly misinformed. I could go on, but then you would. now thats .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Well. I don't like him, you do, he probably doesn't care. Everyone's happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 happy is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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