Notes_Norton Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Hi, I don't really want to modify my guitar, and it doesn't slip off the strap often, but I double on a few instruments, and sometimes when I pick the guitar up if the strap gets twisted it pops off (fortunately I'm holding the guitar as I put it on). So I was wondering if these are any good.... Thanks. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdntac Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 They work pretty good. Not as easy as other styles where you can click the strap buttons in/out but if you don't plan on taking the strap off too often they will suit your needs. Can't beat the price of them, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Never tried that style. I have the regular Dunlop strap locks with the button and they work great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJustice Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 They have mostly worked for me... Note the "mostly" though - I had one that worked its way off the strap button. Turned out it wouldn't stay properly locked because the two very small plastic pegs that are supposed keep the rotating part locked weren't doing their job. I.e. the two plastic parts were a loose fit. So, they're not infallible... I'm now considering installing proper Dunlops or Schaller strap locks. After all, it's a modification that's reversible in two minutes. DJ -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Plains Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Read this. http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/62402-who-here-doesnt-use-straplock.html A couple posts about them here. I won't use them again. If you don't want to modify the guitar, use the red thing from Grolschsd beer bottles. http://209.92.159.54/store/files/detail/15-805.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 (snip) If you don't want to modify the guitar' date=' use the red thing from Grolschsd beer bottles. (snip)[/quote'] A great happy +1 for the Grolsch gaskets. You can buy a pile of them off eBay for $2... That is, if you don't want to woof down some good beers to acheive the same effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Here's a couple of pics to clarify any misconceptions about my Schaller installation method. A little more involved if you wanna spend the time to do it right, but they work great and never wear out. No patent applied for, feel free to copy this all you want to. I consider this a labor of love, helping those who love their guitars as much as I do... :-) You've surely heard me tell you to throw away the screws that come with the Schallers. If they so happen to match the screws that are in the guitar, then it doesn't matter. This has never occurred for me, and I refuse to cross-thread a different screw in the body and damage threads. Either use the Gibson screws that came in the guitar, or go to the hardware store to buy exact replacements. Length and diameter of the screw is not the main consideration - make sure the thread pitch/count is the same. When I buy screws for anything, I get stainless when I can - never rust. First off, go to Home Depot or any other hardware store and getcha some of these; Danco faucet washers made of buna rubber, will NOT harm the finish. (Not in the last 6 years anyway....) You can see the finished result in the background. Here's the Schaller pin after being drilled out so the original Gibson screw will slide through. The hole needs to be drilled out to 11/64" or 4 mm. Here's the bottom view of the Schaller pin after drilling. Note also the side of the screw head has been ground down slightly. This is not needed on all Gibson screws, if it will slide inside the new pin then you're good. On a Les Paul the screw for the bottom end pin is bigger than the one on the upper bout by the neck. Here's the finished assembly before tightening. The difference you should see here is how much deeper the factory screw will drop down inside the pin. Without the rubber washer for a spacer, the screw would penetrate further than it does on the factory pin. This additional penetration depth would not be an issue in this application. Anywhere space is limited could cause a problem though. Installation on the back of guitars such as my SG and ES-335 would make me nervous because there's not much room to spare. Hate to punch through something or split wood that was not pre-drilled deep enough. You MUST use a washer or spacer of some sort! Tightening is easier now, you know when to stop. Go until you feel resistance as the washer compresses, and observe that it begins to bulge slightly. These washers are more than firm enough to keep the screw from bending sideways. The washers also buy you some forgiveness if you drop the guitar on the end pin. The rubber will absorb some shock from a moderate force without the screw snapping off. It's tucked up safely inside the pin now, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Stole this from Bob V. Great additional pics. It works fine on an ES339' date=' there's plenty of maple in the center block for the screws. The upper pin goes into the neck block rather than the upper cutaway, of course. [img']http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk155/bobv_photo/IMG_3156.jpg[/img] Of course, nothing wrong with slamming some beer and going the easy way with a buzz..... :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 That's too hard. Just toss on a strap and a beer-gasket and go play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 I don't drink beer (wine, whiskey, rum, etc., is OK) and I will also be using these on my 1970 ES-330, which I want to keep completely stock as it is now a collectors item. I'm thinking about bringing it out on special gigs because it feels badly that I leave it home all the time and take the Casino or LTD to the gig. I think it is developing a complex. :- However, if someone wants to drink the beer for me and donate a few Grolsch gaskets, I'd gladly accept them ;) Is there anything better than those Lok Straps that does not require modifying the guitar? Like I said, the only time I have a problem is when I pick up the guitar and put it on. If the strap is twisted, it comes off the peg very easily. When I'm in a hurry, I don't always take the time to look at the strap since it rarely gets twisted. Fortunately I have one hand firmly gripping the neck when I put the guitar on, but the body can still swing into another piece of gear close to me on stage. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 However' date=' if someone wants to drink the beer for me and donate a few Grolsch gaskets, I'd gladly accept them :- Notes[/quote'] Pm me a mailing address and I'll send you some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah Notes, remember the primary point I want to make is the same. If it's a new guitar, protect the threads inside so it can become a vintage guitar with no stripped holes. If it's a vintage guitar, don't strip the holes or modify it any way that affects value. Either way, make DAMNED sure it's securely attached and the threads never pull loose. I refuse to cross-thread a different screw in the body and damage threads. Either use the Gibson screws that came in the guitar' date=' or go to the hardware store to buy exact replacements. Length and diameter of the screw is not the main consideration - make sure the thread pitch/count is the same. When I buy screws for anything, I get stainless when I can - never rust.[/quote'] With the Schaller locks it doesn't matter if the strap twists - it ain't rolling off the pin. These are the ones guys use when they swing the guitar around 360 degrees and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Pm me a mailing address and I'll send you some. THANKS!!! Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre S Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah Notes' date=' remember the primary point I want to make is the same. If it's a new guitar, protect the threads inside so it can become a vintage guitar with no stripped holes. If it's a vintage guitar, don't strip the holes or modify it any way that affects value. Either way, make DAMNED sure it's securely attached and the threads never pull loose. With the Schaller locks it doesn't matter if the strap twists - it ain't rolling off the pin. These are the ones guys use when they swing the guitar around 360 degrees and such.[/quote'] Do you think that Schallers are so much better that its worth it to change out Dunlop Dual Design Strap Loks to the Schallers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoConMan Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Personally, yes. When I buy a used guitar with Dunlops they come off immediately. Done it a couple times. Nothing wrong with them, but I have Schallers on everything else so that's what I stick with. Better design and function in my opinion. The Dunlops? I give 'em to friends of mine who prefer them on their gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre S Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Personally' date=' yes. When I buy a used guitar with Dunlops they come off immediately. Done it a couple times. Nothing wrong with them, but I have Schallers on everything else so that's what I stick with. Better design and function in my opinion. The Dunlops? I give 'em to friends of mine who prefer them on their gear.[/quote'] I do think that Dunlops can be slightly unreliable, especially if the ball bearings fail, if it does and the guitar falls, your LP could get another cutaway lol, and since I have seen your guide, I have been swaying to the idea as before I thought that the installation was harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 After debating in my head for a couple of months and reading a previous post from Neo, I finally installed Schallers on my Lester. I used the original screws that came with the guitar. The only adjustment I made was to the tailpiece Schaller, I drilled the hole wider to accomidate the Gibson screw. I also installed felt washers to make up the difference in screw depth. No drilling on the front Schaller was needed. The Schaller's I used was from an older guitar I have and was purchased 14 years ago. So they are some older Shaller's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauline Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Or planet waves has a strap (some cool colors) that have built in strap locks. They work great for me. I have schallers on a few guitars and I'm just too lazy to put them on the rest. Those planet wave straps work even with the schallers type strap buttons and I have never lost a guitar with those straps. I have had two times that the nut on the schallers worked itself loose on the strap itself. I got two straps with the "planet-lock-system" where the plastic is broken........ no problem with the Marvel locks, even I could use the stock screw from the guitar Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston004681 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 just get Schallers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solacematt Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Hi' date=' I don't really want to modify my guitar, and it doesn't slip off the strap often, but I double on a few instruments, and sometimes when I pick the guitar up if the strap gets twisted it pops off (fortunately I'm holding the guitar as I put it on). So I was wondering if these are any good.... [img']http://www.mveducation.com/assets/products/43794_l.jpg[/img] Thanks. Notes Hey fellow Floridian I use those on my RD and my LPDC and they work great. I haven't had any problems with them breaking or falling apart. I've had one on my RD since January and my LP since late '07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Hey fellow Floridian :DI use those on my RD and my LPDC and they work great. I haven't had any problems with them breaking or falling apart. I've had one on my RD since January and my LP since late '07. Hi' date=' I grew up in Pompano Beach and my parents moved to Delray to retire. Riverside is sending me some Grolsch gaskets, so I'll try them first. I don't jump around and twirl the guitar, so as long as they keep a twisted strap from popping off, they will be good enough. I do hope they don't make the guitar drunk, as I have enough problems with wrong notes already ;-) BTW, if you get up around Fort Pierce on Thursday Afternoons starting in November, we do an outdoor gig on the water and you can see me play sax, and try to play guitar But check first because there are a few Thursdays we can't make it due to a previous booking. Here's a pic of us playing there last season... [center'][/center] it's outdoors, on the water, and the closest bar to the birthplace of the Navy Seals (and the Navy Seal Museum) -- that explains all the frogman stuff on the walls. In this picture I'm playing wind synth. I don't bring my Gibson or my Epiphone to the gig, as the salt air is hard on equipment, so instead I bring the LTD I rescued from the junk heap and modded so it sounds good. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solacematt Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Hi' date=' I grew up in Pompano Beach and my parents moved to Delray to retire. Riverside is sending me some Grolsch gaskets, so I'll try them first. I don't jump around and twirl the guitar, so as long as they keep a twisted strap from popping off, they will be good enough. I do hope they don't make the guitar drunk, as I have enough problems with wrong notes already ;-) BTW, if you get up around Fort Pierce on Thursday Afternoons starting in November, we do an outdoor gig on the water and you can see me play sax, and try to play guitar But check first because there are a few Thursdays we can't make it due to a previous booking. Here's a pic of us playing there last season... [center'][/center] it's outdoors, on the water, and the closest bar to the birthplace of the Navy Seals (and the Navy Seal Museum) -- that explains all the frogman stuff on the walls. In this picture I'm playing wind synth. I don't bring my Gibson or my Epiphone to the gig, as the salt air is hard on equipment, so instead I bring the LTD I rescued from the junk heap and modded so it sounds good. Notes Nice, Pompano isn't bad. Certain areas anyways, haha. I know what you mean about the whole jumping around thing. I'm the vocalist in my band so I'm not as mobile as my bassist is, so the dunlop works just fine. Maybe if I have some sort of day off I'll head up. Ft. Pierce is a bit of a drive from Delray and my job now is in Ft. Lauderdale. That's a nice lookin LTD there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Nice' date=' Pompano isn't bad. Certain areas anyways, haha. <...>[/quote'] When I was a kid there were fewer than 2,000 people in Pompano and 10 miles of pine trees between Pompano and Fort Lauderdale on US1 (Speed limit was 65mph - no traffic lights between Atlantic in Pompano and Sunrise in Ft.L.). Pompano ended at McNab road and with the exception of a few motels on the outskirts, Fort Lauderdale started at Sunrise Blvd (the Gateway theater was built on the Gateway to Ft. L). The beaches weren't developed yet, and 90% of them were sea grapes and casuarina trees. My parents moved to Delray when Pompano got too crowded and lived the rest of their lives there. I have fond memories of gigging in Ft.L and area. Porky's (the one the movie was about - but not really), Big Daddy's, teen dances at the War Memorial Auditorium (with terrible acoustics), Ocean Mist, and a number of other places that probably aren't there anymore. Since this is a guitar forum......... I got the LTD for almost nothing. It has a great neck, is well balanced, the frets are dressed well, and the fit and finish is surprisingly excellent, especially for a "bottom feeder" guitar. I didn't like the tone - not that it was bad - but the overwound humbuckers weren't right for the kind of gigs I play (mostly the adult audiences - the pay is good, I'm able to play a variety of music, and the hours are short). So I replaced the pups with GFS Mean 90s, re-wired it for one vol, one tone, and installed a Big D Varitone. I did this so the salt air at Little Jim's wouldn't get inside my Casino or my ES-330 (which I hardly bring to the gig anyway). I'm having so much fun with the 1 volume control near my pinky and the Varitone, that more often than not I bring the LTD to all the gigs. The tone isn't quite as nice as the hollow guitars, but there is more variety of sounds and (1) tone is a matter of taste and (2) the audience really can't tell the difference between similar sounds anyway. So in attempt to save my "good guitars" from the salt air, the "bottom feeder" is more often than not my first choice. BTW, if you do come up, be advised I've been playing sax all my life, but lead guitar only about 2 years, so take that into consideration when hearing me fumble a little from time to time - I have my better days and days when I wonder why I picked up the guitar. Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOL! Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi' date=' I don't really want to modify my guitar, and it doesn't slip off the strap often, but I double on a few instruments, and sometimes when I pick the guitar up if the strap gets twisted it pops off (fortunately I'm holding the guitar as I put it on). So I was wondering if these are any good.... [img']http://www.mveducation.com/assets/products/43794_l.jpg[/img] Thanks. Notes I use the Dunlop ones too, but they look like this I jump and run around a lot and in 5yrs they have never failed me. Elderly in Lansing, MI has them for 2 for $2.50 - HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 The Grolsch "straplocks" Riverside so kindly sent me arrived today, and they do the job perfectly. Thanks! Notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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