ACDC drummer caught with weed in NZ

[mcmurray]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/entertainment/perth-confidential/acdc-drummer-left-to-mull-over-pot-conviction/story-e6frg30l-1225964075868

 

With a criminal weed conviction on his record, USA immigration will rank him with the likes of murderers and rapists and will never be allowed into the country.

 

I hope you guys got to see them play when you could.

[sellen]

good old Phil Rudd, thought he was the whiskey kind a type. Well he can still come to Europe

[Sinner 13]

In the story it says not barred into any country; so unsure what you mean about never seeing them again. I agree they are a good band; but the material is old and since I saw them at Monsters of Rock I personally have no desire to see them again. Its like KISS; milking every penny they can living off the older material; which its OK if they would do something different. If you seen them once you've seen all their shows.

How many drummers have they had over the years?

Even if that's the case, they'll hire a drummer for US tours.

Too many fans over here for them not to tour.

And as long as Malcolm, and Angus can still strap up they will soldier on.

 

 

 

[damian]

Can't Wille sneek him into the country on his tour bus ? ( see the Wille thread ).

[ChanMan]

Have him call Willie and get some advice on how to dodge serious conesquences.... ;)

 

 

I'll bet they let him in. It's amazing what "they" will turn their heads and look the other way on, sometimes.

[EVOL!]

Rudd appeared in court under his birth name Phillip Hugh Witchke and was fined NZ$250 plus $132.89 court costs.

 

Ouch! That is some fine. How will he be able to pay it?

[sellen]

In the story it says not barred into any country; so unsure what you mean about never seeing them again. I agree they are a good band; but the material is old and since I saw them at Monsters of Rock I personally have no desire to see them again. Its like KISS; milking every penny they can living off the older material; which its OK if they would do something different. If you seen them once you've seen all their shows.

Doing something diffrent? Man if ac-dc should do something diffrent it wouden't be ac-dc anymore. If you really like it you can watch it and play it a million times. There's plenty of bands i can lisend to for getting new stuff and insperation from. AC-DC PLEASE STAY TRUE TO YOUR MUSIC (well it woulden't hurt with a slow dirty blues album)

[cabba2203]

Hey, at least it's still legal to buy booze, you know that innocent beverage that does no harm, keeps families together and is full of cheer!

 

I guess when my alcoholic father was drunk and angry and throwing beer bottles and a hammer at me when I was 10 years old, I should thank the Lord he wasn't high on some weed, I might have been ripped to shreds in a murderous violent cannibalistic attack.

[Tman]

Is he necessarily barred from this country? Mick Jagger was once busted for pot and comes over regularly. Maybe a statute of limitations thing?

[Gilliangirl]

Hey, at least it's still legal to buy booze, you know that innocent beverage that does no harm, keeps families together and is full of cheer!

 

I guess when my alcoholic father was drunk and angry and throwing beer bottles and a hammer at me when I was 10 years old, I should thank the Lord he wasn't high on some weed, I might have been ripped to shreds in a murderous violent cannibalistic attack.

Cabba, so sorry that happened to you.

I think alcohol is a far worse drug that pot. The only reason why alcohol is legal and pot isn't is because of societal discomfort and fear of change, IMHO. And, the wheels of the law turn very slowly.

[cabba2203]

Cabba, so sorry that happened to you.

I think alcohol is a far worse drug that pot. The only reason why alcohol is legal and pot isn't is because of societal discomfort and fear of change, IMHO. And, the wheels of the law turn very slowly.

 

Yeah, it's just the hypocrisy that kills me.

[Artie Owl]

Well, I don't know about slow law and cultural change, the fact that booze is a-okay in the government's eyes is the taxes it makes off it, same with tobacco, which isn't really doing anyone any real favours either. If they knew they could get away with making pot legal and making taxes off it, WITHOUT losing votes it'd be in those like, vending snack machines with the spiral metal thing among everywhere else.

 

Also, yes cabba I'm sorry to hear that happened to you.

[cabba2203]

Well, I don't know about slow law and cultural change, the fact that booze is a-okay in the government's eyes is the taxes it makes off it, same with tobacco, which isn't really doing anyone any real favours either. If they knew they could get away with making pot legal and making taxes off it, WITHOUT losing votes it'd be in those like, vending snack machines with the spiral metal thing among everywhere else.

 

The Gov could make a lot in revenue if it legalized Pot and regulated it like tobacco and alcohol, both of which are more harmful drugs that Pot.

The War on Drugs is a failure. It's done nothing but create career criminals and escalate violence just like Prohibition did.

 

Anyway - sorry to hijack this thread.

[Kiwi]

This is easily turning into the top 3 most stupid news I've heard all week. Let Phil Rudd have some weed if he so desires, sheesh... And them not touring because of such a small misdemeanor, they can't be serious

[NeoConMan]

Lots of that "touring" issue over the years.

Beatles, Stones, Doors, the list is a mile long of bands whose minor legal troubles cost them dearly.

 

Huge legal fees if nothing else.

 

And instead of legalizing pot, what about criminalizing alcohol?

 

I know, I know.....

 

 

Lotsa alcohol issues in my own family, so I'm not a fan.

I WILL tell you that I still blame the person - not the booze.

 

One drunk + stupid sh!t = regret and lessons learned.

 

Drunk all the time = personal irresponsibility.

They should NOT be shielded from the repercussions.

 

Get stupid, pay dearly, 'nuff said.

 

 

Pot possession + illegal = trouble.

Did Phil, Willie, my kids (or ME) not KNOW this?

 

Until the law is changed, it should be enforced.

Disagree?

Change the law.

 

I'm cool with it then.

[cabba2203]

Lots of that "touring" issue over the years.

Beatles, Stones, Doors, the list is a mile long of bands whose minor legal troubles cost them dearly.

 

Huge legal fees if nothing else.

 

And instead of legalizing pot, what about criminalizing alcohol?

 

I know, I know.....

 

 

Lotsa alcohol issues in my own family, so I'm not a fan.

I WILL tell you that I still blame the person - not the booze.

 

One drunk + stupid sh!t = regret and lessons learned.

 

Drunk all the time = personal irresponsibility.

They should NOT be shielded from the repercussions.

 

Get stupid, pay dearly, 'nuff said.

 

 

Pot possession + illegal = trouble.

Did Phil, Willie, my kids (or ME) not KNOW this?

 

Until the law is changed, it should be enforced.

Disagree?

Change the law.

 

I'm cool with it then.

 

I agree, it's the person.

I personally don't think any of it should be illegal. It should be regulated and taxed.

You can do what you want at home. DUI is still DUI, contributing to minors still illegal, but adults can do as they wish within the law.

[sparky scott 29]

He WILL be back.. Mark my words...

Do you think something like that will stop him from entering the U.S.??

Many have done so MUCH more, and they come back...

[mcmurray]

In the story it says not barred into any country; so unsure what you mean about never seeing them again.

 

This is what the naive NZ prosecutor said. Little did they know that a criminal record for cannabis is up there with being a terrorist as far as USA immigration is concerned. He could apply for a visa, but if he's knocked back (and this is what would happen), he's effectively banned from entry to the country for life.

[mcmurray]

 

Do you think something like that will stop him from entering the U.S.??

 

 

Without a shadow of a doubt.

[ChanMan]

I'm sorry Mc...

 

You got any documentation for the claim?

 

Others have posted articles... your stance seems based more on opinion.

 

[mcmurray]

I personally know someone that has applied for a working visa and were denied entry for life for a 9 year old cannabis possession conviction (we're talking 1 gram of the stuff).

 

Another person I know was turned around at immigration and sent home because he admitted a very minor drug charge on the immigration card - as a result, he was banned for life also.

 

It is possible to gain entry by lying on the immigration card if entering via the visa waiver program (I know people that have got in without problems by doing just this). If the person's home country is not eligible for the VWP, or if they're seeking an employment visa, a criminal record is required to be submitted to the consulate. Any drug charge results in automatic denial unless the Attorney General has given express permission - not likely.

 

btw - I've known people with multiple very severe assault convictions on their record and the USA consulate allowed entry. As far as they're concerned, drug charges are far more serious than assault and the like.

 

I'll find some links to regulations later and post them here.

[ChanMan]

Cool.

 

 

But we're not talking about your friends and acquaintances here... were talking VIPs.

 

Any of the folks you know drummers for multi-platinum rock bands?

 

 

'Cause I'm pretty sure that's what everybody else is referring to.

 

Just want to make sure we're talking apples to apples here before you spend any time researching.

[mcmurray]

Cool.

 

 

But we're not talking about your friends and acquaintances here... were talking VIPs.

 

Any of the folks you know drummers for multi-platinum rock bands?

 

 

'Cause I'm pretty sure that's what everybody else is referring to.

 

Just want to make sure we're talking apples to apples here before you spend any time researching.

 

I suppose at the end of the day it comes down to the person processing the Visa request. If they're a big Acca Dacca fan he'll get it. If not, no amount of money thrown at the situation will fix it.

[ChanMan]

It's not a corruption issue. It's a clear double standard as applied to "Stars" vs average Joe's.

 

Hard to believe, I know, but this isn't the first rock star to be caught with drugs. All the others were let in, so unless you have some sort of documentation backing up your claim, I guess we'll once again assume puffery and move along.

 

 

[TommyK]

It's obvious that alcohol is a problem for many people and therefore society. Why should we add one more mind altering drug to the mix? Yup, they tax the pajesus out of alcohol. Does it cover the cost of enforcement and consequent human carnage? Not a chance. The "Legalize pot so we can tax it" argument don't wash. Neither does legalizing gambling. East Peoria, Il. legalized it so they could tax it. Actually, the state legalized it in it's form and E.Peoria 'won' the right to build a casino.... the cost of enforcement of the c.r.a.p. that comes along with it has spent it all... and then some. Oh, and the casino, a few years ago anyways, was behind on their tax payments...