Searcy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 So you guys are saying the F&W raids were staged events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 So you guys are saying the F&W raids were staged events? No, I wouldn't say that. I would say an event like that could easily be made beneficial to both the regulatory body and the business, that's what I'm saying. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Ok, I can see where you're coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 If i was CEO of Gibson i would reduce the prices of the guitars back to wat they used to be like, so poorer kids can get their hands on a prestige guitar at a low price Lol and the headlines would read "Australian Kid Bankrupts Major Musical Instrument Manufacturer in Mere Months" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 When I took my 2012 '61 SG Reissue that was built in March to Guitar Center a few weeks back to see why it was not holding tune (another thread and problem fixed) the sales guy who I ordered it through said I had a rare one indeed as it was a rosewood fingerboard. I'm pretty sure most of the folks at GC have no idea that Baked Maple exists. I got into an argument (albeit a quiet one) with 4 or 5 GC employees that the Classic Custom I was playing was in fact Baked Maple. They kept telling me I was wrong and it was Rosewood. You might have the one and only rosewood fingerboard that was supposed to be BM, but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyT Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 My sales guy is the guitar tech for Queensryche, and before that he was one of the guitarists for them in 2009. Anthony Bender... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 My sales guy is the guitar tech for Queensryche, and before that he was one of the guitarists for them in 2009. Anthony Bender... It's very easy to tell baked maple from Rose Wood. The SG in your picture has a Rose Wood fingerboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyT Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 It's very easy to tell baked maple from Rose Wood. The SG in your picture has a Rose Wood fingerboard. This one? http://www.pnw4runners.com/guitar_stuff/6.jpg As the picture that shows in my sig is one I found with Google for wallpaper. I should try to get a closeup to see if anyone can tell if it is one piece or laminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaleb Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lol and the headlines would read "Australian Kid Bankrupts Major Musical Instrument Manufacturer in Mere Months" There is no way a Les Paul Standard could be the same price as a Burst' back in the late 50s..... But, the prices for a Standard now are ridiculous! They should be around $1800 at the most. A Les Paul isn't that complicated. If only Ed Roman were alive now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 My sales guy is the guitar tech for Queensryche, and before that he was one of the guitarists for them in 2009. Anthony Bender... Well he's probably more credible than me. They are making the BM boards pretty dark now. MUCH darker than their pictures on the Gibson site. Now, can someone jump in here, I thought the new rosewood boards are layered on top of each other? I thought it had something to do with the fact that rosewood can only be cut so thick leaving the one of the mills or something so now they have to layer it on top of each other? I could be completely wrong, to which I am no stranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 There is no way a Les Paul Standard could be the same price as a Burst' back in the late 50s..... But, the prices for a Standard now are ridiculous! They should be around $1800 at the most. A Les Paul isn't that complicated. If only Ed Roman were alive now.... In 1959, a Les Paul Standard was $265.00, and the case was $42.50. In todays dollars, that equals $2095...or $2431 with a case. Dollar value THEN/NOW Speical: $195.00/$1541 Junior: $132.50/$1047 Good cases for above...$42.50/$336 Cheap case....$14.25/$112 More prices: ES-335TD....$279.50/$2209 ES-335TDN....$295/$2332 LP Custom....$395/$3123 L-5CES....$650/$5139 So...it looks like that "$1800.00" that you feel a Les Paul should cost (and you can buy then all day long for that) is actually cheaper than what they were in 1959. You can get cheaper model LP's (like the "Tributes") for $850 or so...still a lot cheaper than the "Specials" of the day. But it looks like for a lot of models, like Custom Shop stuff, ES-335, L-5, etc., will cost more in todays money than what they were in 1959. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaleb Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 In 1959, a Les Paul Standard was $265.00, and the case was $42.50. In todays dollars, that equals $2095...or $2431 with a case. Dollar value THEN/NOW Speical: $195.00/$1541 Junior: $132.50/$1047 Good cases for above...$42.50/$336 Cheap case....$14.25/$112 More prices: ES-335TD....$279.50/$2209 ES-335TDN....$295/$2332 LP Custom....$395/$3123 L-5CES....$650/$5139 So...it looks like that "$1800.00" that you feel a Les Paul should cost (and you can buy then all day long for that) is actually cheaper than what they were in 1959. You can get cheaper model LP's (like the "Tributes") for $850 or so...still a lot cheaper than the "Specials" of the day. But it looks like for a lot of models, like Custom Shop stuff, ES-335, L-5, etc., will cost more in todays money than what they were in 1959. It is also a reflection of today's economy. If the economy was better, the prices of Les Pauls (any guitar) would be better also. New Leno bit: "The economy is so bad that you have to take a second mortgage out for a 335"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 But, the prices for a Standard now are ridiculous! They should be around $1800 at the most. Why? While I (and my bank account) wish fine guitars were a lot cheaper, why should Gibson drop $800 off the lowest advertised price of a standard when people are willing to pay the extra $800? It is important to note that the $2,599 price tag isn't the price that Gibson receives for their standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 It is also a reflection of today's economy. If the economy was better, the prices of Les Pauls (any guitar) would be better also. New Leno bit: "The economy is so bad that you have to take a second mortgage out for a 335"! That should be a new Leno bit, as it's not very funny. :) I'm confused when you say the prices of Les Pauls would be better. Do you mean lower? Higher? I've done the math before like stein and yeah, around $2,000 for a 1959 Les Paul in 2010 dollars (case sold separately). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelinguy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 There is one more zero on the price of a Les Paul today than in the 1959. There is also one more zero on your paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 There is one more zero on the price of a Les Paul today than in the 1959. There is also one more zero on your paycheck. But...I'm pretty sure that taxes today are a higher percentage of your paycheck. The price of housing certainly is. When My Grandfather bought his house NEW in L.A. in 1950, it was roughly the same price as his annual wage. Now the average house will put you at about 5 or 6 times the average annual wage. So my paycheck might be 1000 dollars compared to Grandpa's 100 dollars, but I think we both have about the same amount left over from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S t e v e Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I just want to play guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work in Progress Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 But...I'm pretty sure that taxes today are a higher percentage of your paycheck. The price of housing certainly is. When My Grandfather bought his house NEW in L.A. in 1950, it was roughly the same price as his annual wage. Now the average house will put you at about 5 or 6 times the average annual wage. So my paycheck might be 1000 dollars compared to Grandpa's 100 dollars, but I think we both have about the same amount left over from it. Actually tax rates today are SUBSTANTIALLY lower. In 1950 the highest marginal rate was near 90% and the lowest was close to 20%. Now it's like 35% and 10% respectively. Pretty interesting chart. It starts in 1913 when the 16th Amendment (Income Tax) was enacted. Chart of Historic Income Tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 New Leno bit: "The economy is so bad that you have to take a second mortgage out for a 335"! I can see that comedy hasn't improved much. The comedic value is low on this one. But perhaps it would further in 1959? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Actually tax rates today are SUBSTANTIALLY lower. In 1950 the highest marginal rate was near 90% and the lowest was close to 20%. Now it's like 35% and 10% respectively. Pretty interesting chart. It starts in 1913 when the 16th Amendment (Income Tax) was enacted. Chart of Historic Income Tax Wow...that is interesting. I wonder if that is taxes collected, or before deductions. Or also, how deductions might have changed throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenderGuy1 Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Lol and the headlines would read "Australian Kid Bankrupts Major Musical Instrument Manufacturer in Mere Months" Come on, i just want to make the prices back down to like entry level prices but a high quality guitar!!! I wouldn't bankrupt Gibson >< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Wow...that is interesting. I wonder if that is taxes collected, or before deductions. Or also, how deductions might have changed throughout. It's just rates. No one paid 90% taxes because there were so many deductions and loop holes. The 90% rate was lower by Kennedy and then again by Regan. Many loop holes were also closed at this time resulting in revenue going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Well he's probably more credible than me. They are making the BM boards pretty dark now. MUCH darker than their pictures on the Gibson site. Now, can someone jump in here, I thought the new rosewood boards are layered on top of each other? I thought it had something to do with the fact that rosewood can only be cut so thick leaving the one of the mills or something so now they have to layer it on top of each other? I could be completely wrong, to which I am no stranger. I believe the "layered rosewood" is the means to legally import Rosewood. They can't import it as a raw material, it needs to be a finished product. Once you cut the wood thickness-wise and glue it back together, it's considered a finished product, so they can import it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malchik Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I believe the "layered rosewood" is the means to legally import Rosewood. They can't import it as a raw material, it needs to be a finished product. Once you cut the wood thickness-wise and glue it back together, it's considered a finished product, so they can import it. Not quite. If this were the case, Gibson would just have India finish the blank to spec and ship it over; Henry doesn't want that, apparently. They are shipping over the wood as a veneer to get under the size limit, and then laminate that veneer to make a blank at the USA plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Indian Rosewoods fingerboard blanks are a finished product. Every other US guitar company is importing them with no issue. You can buy a truck load of them from LMI right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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