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#1 User is offline   newfiesig 

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 12:13 PM

Pretty basic topic for discussion here...

There are many brands who make replacement parts for tuners, bridges, tail pieces, etc. (Schaller, Grover, Gotoh...). I've always been of the thought that they were useful upgrades to the Chinese/Korean parts found on many Epis. Do you guys feel that these are necessarily "upgrades" to add to U.S. Gibsons? Or would you spend your money elsewhere?

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 12:18 PM

View Postnewfiesig, on 18 June 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

Pretty basic topic...Do you guys feel that these are necessarily "upgrades" to add to U.S. Gibsons?...

Pretty basic answer? "No.".

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 12:29 PM

View Postpippy, on 18 June 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Pretty basic answer? "No.".

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Exactly what I was thinking.
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Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:27 PM

View Postnewfiesig, on 18 June 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

Pretty basic topic for discussion here...

There are many brands who make replacement parts for tuners, bridges, tail pieces, etc. (Schaller, Grover, Gotoh...). I've always been of the thought that they were useful upgrades to the Chinese/Korean parts found on many Epis. Do you guys feel that these are necessarily "upgrades" to add to U.S. Gibsons? Or would you spend your money elsewhere?

Cheers!


I don't think they are but a few people like different features or something from other companies or are looking to replace something they feel is defective or if there's an improvement. The very few times I've replaced or added things ("poker chip", worn bridge, broken knobs, etc) I've used Gibson parts. I'm ok with people changing out things but hope they keep the original parts.
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Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:51 PM

the only upgrade i would consider for my LP would be locking tuners, for functional reasons.
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Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:56 PM

View PostMichaelT, on 18 June 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

I don't think they are but a few people like different features or something from other companies or are looking to replace something they feel is defective or if there's an improvement. The very few times I've replaced or added things ("poker chip", worn bridge, broken knobs, etc) I've used Gibson parts. I'm ok with people changing out things but hope they keep the original parts.


I'll buy that. I have a 2015 Trad enroute with the G-Force tuners. I'm looking at swapping them out and have (pretty much) decided on Schallers... not 100% on WHICH Schallers, but Schallers nonetheless. That got me to thinking about swapping out the bridge and tail piece for Shallers as well.

Then I gave my head a shake and realized that the bridge/TP I currently have is already good. I swapped the same out of an Epi a while back, but those parts were Chinese. Stock Gibson parts should be decidedly better.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all ragging on the idea of customizing or "bettering" (it's a word, I just created it) a guitar with awesome new parts. I just see it as more of a lateral move than the upgrade you would see trading up from Chinese parts.
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Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:58 PM

View Postamerican cheez, on 18 June 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

the only upgrade i would consider for my LP would be locking tuners, for functional reasons.


Ironically, I'm adding locking tuners to my Les Paul. But even then, it's because I am getting rid of the G-Force system. If it came with Gibson Deluxe I would probably just leave it be.
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Posted 18 June 2018 - 08:30 PM

My LP Standard came out if the factory with Grover locking tuners.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 12:01 AM

View PostBig Bill, on 18 June 2018 - 08:30 PM, said:

My LP Standard came out if the factory with Grover locking tuners.

Same here. The only modification I made to my 2014 Gibson Les Paul Standard was to replace the Tektoid nut with a custom bone nut, something I am very glad that I did.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 02:10 AM

If it isn't broke don't try to fix it.


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 04:04 AM

My philosophy on replacing tuners is simple, donít do it unless you have to and only if you donít have to create new screw holes.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 04:24 AM

Nope, as is, out of the box,, no mods needed unless you're persnickety about something.

All they need are strap lock pins IMHO.

You really don't even need to swap out anything on most of the new Epis..
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 05:06 AM

View Postkidblast, on 19 June 2018 - 04:24 AM, said:

Nope, as is, out of the box,, no mods needed unless you're persnickety about something.

All they need are strap lock pins IMHO.

You really don't even need to swap out anything on most of the new Epis..

Grolsch Beer Grommets. And now you have a beer in your hands. That is a win all around.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 06:07 AM

View PostLP Trad Pro II, on 19 June 2018 - 05:06 AM, said:

Grolsch Beer Grommets. And now you have a beer in your hands. That is a win all around.



nah, don't like that beer, and prefer a real strap lock.

c'est la vi

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 06:16 AM

View Postkidblast, on 19 June 2018 - 06:07 AM, said:

nah, don't like that beer, and prefer a real strap lock.

c'est la vi

I got ya. But for me they are universal to all my guitar strap buttons with no mods required and only takes a second to change from guitar to guitar. When they are on your axe is not going anywhere. Grolsch is not my favorite beer, but it is better than a Bud. I've also got a few green ones form a brand of vodka that uses the same pop top. It think its 360 Vodka. Fender also makes them, but what is the fun of not buying beer or vodka to get it?

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 06:36 AM

View PostLP Trad Pro II, on 19 June 2018 - 06:16 AM, said:

Fender also makes them, but what is the fun of not buying beer or vodka to get it?


ha!! I'm wit ya there!!
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 06:41 AM

View Postkidblast, on 19 June 2018 - 04:24 AM, said:

Nope, as is, out of the box,, no mods needed unless you're persnickety about something.

All they need are strap lock pins IMHO.

You really don't even need to swap out anything on most of the new Epis..


The only thing I did is add the strap locks, change out the TRC with a blank one and add metal pointer under the knobs. Oh, since the pups have the quick disconnects, I put in 57 Classics. If they were soldered in, I would have left the Burstbuckers in.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 08:04 AM

View PostBig Bill, on 19 June 2018 - 06:41 AM, said:

The only thing I did is add the strap locks, change out the TRC with a blank one and add metal pointer under the knobs. Oh, since the pups have the quick disconnects, I put in 57 Classics. If they were soldered in, I would have left the Burstbuckers in.


Classic 57s -- the BOMB!!

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:21 AM

For me the only thing I'm changing is the tuners to Schallers, and that's because my Trad comes with gforce.

If it were Grovers, like on the Classic I had, I would leave them there.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:33 AM

View Postnewfiesig, on 19 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

For me the only thing I'm changing is the tuners to Schallers, and that's because my Trad comes with gforce.

If it were Grovers, like on the Classic I had, I would leave them there.


I don't blame you for wanting to change them. I would use these myself.... Gibson Tuners Link
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