zigzag Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I just ordered a couple of new pedals- a Dunlop Cry Baby 535Q and a Big Muff Pi with Tone Wicker. I'm gonna combine that with a HardWire DL-8 delay pedal, and I may add an MXR Phase 90. I'm going to use those pedals with an original Mesa Express 5:50 which has an FX loop capability. This will be my setup for a while, although I'm considering adding a Fulltone OCD overdrive pedal at some point. Any recommendations on pedal order and whether it would be a good idea to use the FX option in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Congrats on your pedals, I'm just starting experimenting with pedals. I have 3 and was disappointed at first with them, couldn't hear the difference for awhile till I started switching the order and when I put the cable jacks in the upper jack of the pedals they finally came to life. Still learning from you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 I've had a variety of pedals for a long time, but never really used more than the delay pedal and the amp reverb. I'm more a jazz guy, so I've played mostly clean. I've decided I want the versatility and tone modification that I can get with pedals, but my old pedals don't have true bypass (and sound like crap), so some of these new pedals are upgrades. I realize the Phase 90 doesn't have true bypass, and doesn't do much for me anyway, and I may not use it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1478055261[/url]' post='1809656']I've had a variety of pedals for a long time, but never really used more than the delay pedal and the amp reverb. I'm more a jazz guy, so I've played mostly clean. I've decided I want the versatility and tone modification that I can get with pedals, but my old pedals don't have true bypass (and sound like crap), so some of these new pedals are upgrades. I realize the Phase 90 doesn't have true bypass, and doesn't do much for me anyway, and I may not use it at all. Hi Zigzag. Didn't think I would ever say this since I don't care much for strats but I'm learning the Ventures "Walk Don't Run" and the teacher has a strat with vibrato arm and I just love that clean surf sound. Can't get it out of my Les Paul so I may be looking at some Fenders. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darling67 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Congrats on the new pedals. I recently acquired an MXR Analog Chorus, and just placed an order for an MXR "Script" Phase 90 (w/out LED). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StRanger7032 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 The delay and phaser should definitely go through the FX loop. The Crybaby should go through the front of the amp before anything else, except maybe a tuner pedal if you use one. I would put the overdrive next through the front and then the Big Muff (assuming its a fuzz pedal). There are some differing opinions on where to put fuzz pedals in the chain, so you might need to experiment with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Hi Zigzag. Didn't think I would ever say this since I don't care much for strats but I'm learning the Ventures "Walk Don't Run" and the teacher has a strat with vibrato arm and I just love that clean surf sound. Can't get it out of my Les Paul so I may be looking at some Fenders. Lol I'm a big Ventures fan too. Nokie's sound is awesome, not only the clean sound, but also the fuzz sound. I got this pedal which sounds almost identical to Nokie's fuzz sound and it is way too cool to play with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I just ordered a couple of new pedals- a Dunlop Cry Baby 535Q and a Big Muff Pi with Tone Wicker. I'm gonna combine that with a HardWire DL-8 delay pedal, and I may add an MXR Phase 90. I'm going to use those pedals with an original Mesa Express 5:50 which has an FX loop capability. This will be my setup for a while, although I'm considering adding a Fulltone OCD overdrive pedal at some point. Any recommendations on pedal order and whether it would be a good idea to use the FX option in some way? I'm not a fan of FX loops but your mileage may vary. Usually people just use them for delay or modulation type effects You may prefer the crybaby before or after the overdrive or big muff. There's no rule there. It is a dramatically different sound each way so try both. I tend to prefer the wah after the dirt/fuzz Overdrive before or after the big muff is subjective too. I kinda like overdrive/boost before the big muff. Generally the phaser will come after the dirt/fuzz and wah, and then the delay will be last in the chain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 The delay and phaser should definitely go through the FX loop. The Crybaby should go through the front of the amp before anything else, except maybe a tuner pedal if you use one. I would put the overdrive next through the front and then the Big Muff (assuming its a fuzz pedal). There are some differing opinions on where to put fuzz pedals in the chain, so you might need to experiment with that one. Thanks, bud, that's what I wanted to know. I have the delay pedal thru the FX now, and it definitely brings out the best in that pedal. I wasn't sure if I needed to leave it there once I add other effects. I'm just gonna have to see if there is any need for an overdrive pedal with that fuzz pedal. I'm going for a John Scofield kind of tone, so I won't be blowing it out of the water. I realize that I need to experiment, but I'm not really a dabbler. There is a lot I can do to improve my tone, so I wanted to get some feedback from people with more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 1478060429[/url]' post='1809675']I'm a big Ventures fan too. Nokie's sound is awesome, not only the clean sound, but also the fuzz sound. I got this pedal which sounds almost identical to Nokie's fuzz sound and it is way too cool to play with Thanks, I wrote it down and will check it out. I have played with amp settings and can get a clean sound on the LP. Takes some playing with though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 zigzag, I owned the Dunlop Crybaby 535Q. It is surely the best of the wah pedals, ever. I really do like the tone shaping, and the 'boost' button on the side is really, really handy! Sadly, I had to sell mine last year, at a point in time when I was hurting for money. The good news is, I sold it to a good friend who really appreciates it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 Hi Zigzag. Didn't think I would ever say this since I don't care much for strats but I'm learning the Ventures "Walk Don't Run" and the teacher has a strat with vibrato arm and I just love that clean surf sound. Can't get it out of my Les Paul so I may be looking at some Fenders. Lol I got rid of my Strat, because even when I modified it with Dimarzio Virtual Vintage pickups, I just couldn't bond. I love the sound of my Tele for the right stuff, and I have a Modern Player Jaguar with P-90s that I love, but I am mainly a humbucker player. I just don't get into those thin, glassy tones, even with warmer versions. I learned Walk Don't Run back when I was a kid in the '60s (I'm also 63) and I'll still break into it in fits of insanity, along with Pipeline and a few D!ck Dale gems. (That reminds me... I should look into a good tremolo pedal.) And sparquelito, I've had the original Cry Baby for decades, but it doesn't have true bypass, and really sucks the tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I got rid of my Strat, because even when I modified it with Dimarzio Virtual Vintage pickups, I just couldn't bond. I love the sound of my Tele for the right stuff, and I have a Modern Player Jaguar with P-90s that I love, but I am mainly a humbucker player. I just don't get into those thin, glassy tones, even with warmer versions. I learned Walk Don't Run back when I was a kid in the '60s (I'm also 63) and I'll still break into it in fits of insanity, along with Pipeline and a few D!ck Dale gems. (That reminds me... I should look into a good tremolo pedal.) And sparquelito, I've had the original Cry Baby for decades, but it doesn't have true bypass, and really sucks the tone. It's really easy to change the crybaby to true bypass if you know how to solder. Let me know if you want some help with that The Ventures mainly used Mosrite guitars of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevDavidLee Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'm a big Ventures fan too. Nokie's sound is awesome, not only the clean sound, but also the fuzz sound. I got this pedal which sounds almost identical to Nokie's fuzz sound and it is way too cool to play with The Keeley Custom Shop whipped out a handful of these awhile back & I grabbed one up immediately. LOve these! :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 It's really easy to change the crybaby to true bypass if you know how to solder. Let me know if you want some help with that. Too late. The 535Q showed up today, and it has true bypass. Thanks, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versatile Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 There is one or more U-Tube posts featuring John Scofield explaining his fx chain.... I use a Boss ME70 in front of the amp...that seems to take care of most things in a logical way... Also the Roland Cube and JC series satisfy many guitarists with their superb chorus and delay built in.... V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 The Keeley Custom Shop whipped out a handful of these awhile back & I grabbed one up immediately. LOve these! :o Are those silicon or germanium? The Mosrite that I have in the picture is one of the early germanium models and it sounds pretty amazing. I also have an original silicon one, but it is branded for Guild instead of Mosrite (has the Sprague Mosrite capsule circuit inside) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 There is one or more U-Tube posts featuring John Scofield explaining his fx chain.... Also the Roland Cube and JC series satisfy many guitarists with their superb chorus and delay built in.... Yes, after I posted the first post, I looked at his youtube and noticed that he doesn't even have a fuzz box on his pedal board. Interesting, because that is what I think I hear in most of his stuff. And Yes, I own a Roland Cube 80XL, and I like the effects/modeling. I like the Mesa, too, a lot, but for different reasons. Of course the Mesa uses tubes, but I also like its reverb effect and distortion channels better than the Cube. Both have very nice, and very different, clean sounds. And the HardWire delay pedal with the Mesa is far superior to the Roland delay. I also like that I can loop the Roland in near 2 minute segments, and layer them. They are both amazing amps for what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 It's really easy to change the crybaby to true bypass if you know how to solder. Let me know if you want some help with that The Ventures mainly used Mosrite guitars of course And there are a few simple parts swaps that will enhance its quack too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 And there are a few simple parts swaps that will enhance its quack too! I have a few wahs and I like the sound of the crybaby I got from LPguitarman which has the "trashcan" inductor. It's very smooth and mellow, sounds great from heel down to toe down where I normally have to avoid the toe down position on most wahs. Only problem with that one is that it has a scratchy pot and it's one of the sealed Allen Bradley pots. Haven't tinkered around with any wahs yet believe it or not (except for envelope filters). I guess the cost of the enclosures has prevented me from diving in, yet I've "invested" several thousand buckaroos on transistors and caps for fuzz builds so I guess that's where my heart is :) While we're on the subject, have you started that MKII yet? I hope you dig that thing, the tranny set sounded really nice on my breadboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 While we're on the subject, have you started that MKII yet? I hope you dig that thing, the tranny set sounded really nice on my breadboard I have not. It's near the top of my list though. We had a hurricane to live through and I've been doing a lot of guitar repair/setup work for a client with a lot of guitars. As soon as I get free time that build will happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I have not. It's near the top of my list though. We had a hurricane to live through and I've been doing a lot of guitar repair/setup work for a client with a lot of guitars. As soon as I get free time that build will happen! So I'll be another client with a lot of guitars when I move down there? rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 So I'll be another client with a lot of guitars when I move down there? rct Nah, man. You'll be my bro and bandmate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Nah, man. You'll be my bro and bandmate! Nice! I'll still pay you when you set them up! rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Nice! I'll still pay you when you set them up! rct I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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