Riverside Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Looks like I found 1961 Fender Brownface Concert Amp - along with a pair of old 12" Marshall speakers - all slammed into an ugly carpet covered box on wheels, for $150. Does anyone recognize the speaker? The amp itself appears to be unmolested - original tubes, power cord (and I presume caps). I guess I have a project now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnate McDuanus Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Don't recognize the speaker, but that is a sweet find. Good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 That thing looks like a Sasquatch. Does it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted November 14, 2010 Author Share Posted November 14, 2010 It plays, but I've been reluctant to wind it up without stripping the chassis out and putting it on the bench. That way, I can measure a few voltages and watch for things that might make fire. As it was, the speakers had a cobbled up female 1/4" jack, bridged to the amp by a guitar cable. Yikes. Probably been like that for years. One of the transformers is date coded to the 13th week of 1962, so I missed it by a year. The speakers have no markings on them other than what's on the sticker "Made in England for Jim Marshall Products Ltd" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Old Marshall speakers would be Celestions made for them. Made in England for Marshall. Nice amp; worth a lot more than $150.00 working or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigh Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Nice find. Crsig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNylon Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I would agree with the English made Celestions in the Marshall amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 I would agree with the English made Celestions in the Marshall amp. Yes, thanks. But that's pretty generic, and I'm hoping that maybe someone could help identify them in terms of age, power handling, etc. All I've found so far is that they appear to be 8ohm speakers that were wired in series, thus showing the amp (that wants to see 2 ohms) a 16 ohm load... I'm really surprised that this thing didn't blow up years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Wow, that's a great find and just in time for a winter project. First reaction was I would cover that amp in Fender tweed but I think a good quality black tolex would suit better. Ugh tolex glue comes to mind, using that stuff takes practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-7 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Didn't they use Oxfords in those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 First reaction was I would cover that amp in Fender tweed but I think a good quality black tolex would suit better. No. If it's a '62 it needs to be blonde tolex. Though the knobs are brown - Fender stopped using brown tolex in 1960. Brown would look good though. Got no clue on the speakers. But you've got quite a tone beast on your hands there! Oughta be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 The original cabinet is gone - the one it's in appears to have been an old Marshall combo that somebody covered in carpet. I'm seriously thinking about a reproduction cabinet in Brown tolex with a wheat grille. I've already ordered replacement electrolytics - the orginals are way cracked and bubbly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I'm seriously thinking about a reproduction cabinet in Brown tolex with a wheat grille. That's the ticket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Looks like I found 1961 Fender Brownface Concert Amp - along with a pair of old 12" Marshall speakers - all slammed into an ugly carpet covered box on wheels, for $150. ... I guess I have a project now. ... HA! Carpet. Classic. Still a great find. Good luck with the project. Let's see some pics when you get her done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky scott 29 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I sure wouldn't mind fooling around with it for a project.. I think you did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 It's going to be interesting. One of the things that I've found out about it is that the "vibrato" is actually pitch-modulation vibrato - not amplitude pulsed tremolo like on later amps. It didn't work last night, but I think that's because the footswitch jack was so freaking filthy that the jumper wasn't making a connection. Can't wait to hear it. But I'm not putting power to it until I re-cap it and shoot about a gallon of DeOxit into the appropriate places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Natural Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 The original cabinet is gone - the one it's in appears to have been an old Marshall combo that somebody covered in carpet. I'm seriously thinking about a reproduction cabinet in Brown tolex with a wheat grille.... Nah, just vacuum and shampoo the cab. That should be good enough. But, seriously, that does seem like a cool project. If you haven't already got a source, check out mojotone.com for cabinet boxes, tolex, and grill cloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Since 62 Concerts are averaging $1400, I'd say you did very well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Yes, thanks. But that's pretty generic, and I'm hoping that maybe someone could help identify them in terms of age, power handling, etc. All I've found so far is that they appear to be 8ohm speakers that were wired in series, thus showing the amp (that wants to see 2 ohms) a 16 ohm load... I'm really surprised that this thing didn't blow up years ago. Surfpup is right that the Marshalls aren't stock. Not sure what the originals would have been and I will not (well I try) not to speculate on what I don't know. I too am suprised it (the amp) hasn't blown up due to the ohm differences. The Marshalls should be alnico based and similar to the celestion 'classic's sold today; I would speculate they are 30 watters. They probably sound great and if they need re-coning would be better as well. You seem to know your repair work and such...I'm trying to learn more about speakers, if I come with anything I'll let you know....I think you have a precious find, and when it's fixed up whether you keep it or not it should be quite valuable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Originally it would have had 4 10 inch Jensens or Oxfords. http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 Originally it would have had 4 10 inch Jensens or Oxfords. http://www.ampwares.com/amp.asp?id=49 I saw that, thanks. I have a pair of Weber "Cali"s in 10", and a pair of new Jensen C10Rs. I'm going to give that a toss before I go buy any other speakers. If I do this right, I can have it completely ready to play in a brand new cab all for just under $500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted November 15, 2010 Author Share Posted November 15, 2010 I forgot to mention the Acoustic 150b that I bought from the same guy for $40... It needs a little work, too, but dang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-7 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 You got a hell of a score there Riverside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverside Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 Fixed the Acoustic 150b - nothing more than a broken solder joint. It's both loud and nasty. Some of you with the SG basses might want to look into one of these. I listed this on eBay - but it's also on the board's trading post at a deep discount for a member. http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/59131-acoustic-control-150b-bass-amp-head/ Re-capped the Concert, and ordered up a replacement cab with a set of Jensen C10Qs from JD Newell. Hope to have some pics to post up soon. Does anyone have a lead for a replacement face plate for the brown Concert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Bone Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 Sweet score man! No. If it's a '62 it needs to be blonde tolex. Though the knobs are brown - Fender stopped using brown tolex in 1960. Brown would look good though. Got no clue on the speakers. But you've got quite a tone beast on your hands there! Oughta be fun. No, as I am guessing you figured from your later post, brown is correct. In fact they used brown for combos through `1963 (I had a mint condition brown Princeton about 15 years ago). That repro cab ought to be just the ticket. Why a faceplate though, this one doesn't look too bad in your pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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