Interesting Read Regarding Gibson Raids

[FirstMeasure]

go the army surplus store and get a real helmet

[lol]

[j-dub]

this is a farce. the sad truth is that it is paid for by you, the taxpayers. money exchanged hands for this to happen, make no mistake. but i don't buy into the rep vs dem side of it, government is government, its always the other guys fault.

 

something does indeed stink though

 

[milod]

A few comments here...

 

First, I think it's absolutely correct that increasingly we see political trends especially in Anglophone nations crossing oceans more quickly than ever before. Economic trends have crossed national lines regardless of political commonality for centuries. So those who do not live in the U.S. do indeed have a right to concerns over such as we're seeing with the Gibson "affair."

 

Secondly, I do think that there tends to be more active anti-business, pro-union activity in federal agencies where union membership of one sort or another has become a "given."

 

That's beyond a matter of "politics" per se and into an entire cultural mind set. One sees that in "right to work" states versus "union rights" states in the U.S. I'll add that usually "right to work" states in the U.S. also tend to favor a more liberal (liberal as in permissive as opposed to "liberal" as restrictive) and "rural" perspective toward firearms ownership and rights.

 

That latter is to me reflected in a response I got RE why agents went with drawn firearms into a musical instrument factory: In a state with liberal firearms rights interpretations (e.g., that one has a right to own and bear arms), there might automatically be an anti-government violent response.

 

That belief, IMHO, reflects a cultural mind set at least with a given agency and region, that probably would seem to many elsewhere as a political vendetta. I personally see it as much as a clash of subcultures.

 

I've seen somewhat similar cultural splits within federal agencies involved in agriculture and "environment" when an urban person enters a rural mentality environment or vice versa.

 

For what it's worth, I'd wager that were Gibson a union shop, it wouldn't have happened this way, at minimum because feds probably would have seen it as a less likely hostile environment.

 

m

[j-dub]

you put a frog in a pot of water and slowly boil, he'll stay put and cook to death.

 

this is socialist tactics at best, again, at best. for the government to have such sweeping power as to carry out armed raids on legitimate businesses is scary, the fact that this was precipitated by clerical errors is dumbfounding.

 

so the logic is to go into a work environment, with tactical units skinned (weapons drawn), on the premise that there may be or may be not, incorrectly cut wood??? the government knowingly or not, endangered lives that day, not law abiding citizens who choose to live by the 2nd A.

 

ignore your rights, they'll go away eventually.

 

i will end with this. gob bless Gibson, the makers of the best guitars in the world!!!

[Kimbabig]

you put a frog in a pot of water and slowly boil, he'll stay put and cook to death.

 

 

I always wondered who tested this out first, and what possessed them to try such an inhumane experiment.

[j-dub]

I always wondered who tested this out first, and what possessed them to try such an inhumane experiment.

 

if it was inhumane, they'd jump out i reckon. good thing lobsters can't jump

[Searcy]

What... you don't eat frog legs?

[cam011235]

man this is crazy... the whole thing is bizzare..a swat team busting a guitar factory like meth lab coz rosewood is 6 mm thick ...WTF?? sorry there is no logic to this..i am from a different culture..this is totally bizzare and surreal..its BS

 

if feds really had something solid we would have heard about it..something is wrong

 

1 indisputable fact is that the public are fed a load of sh*t..this happens every where and is routine .. speculating what happens behind closed doors is futile as we are fed a crop of sh*t routinely ..it is all smoke and mirrors..it happens every where not just america and its as old as the hills

[Kimbabig]

What... you don't eat frog legs?

 

I'm pretty sure you cut the legs off and don't just fry up the whole frog.

[j-dub]

I'm pretty sure you cut the legs off and don't just fry up the whole frog.

 

that would be cost prohibitive, think of all the wheel chairs for those poor legless frogs

 

[Searcy]

that would be cost prohibitive, think of all the wheel chairs for those poor legless frogs

 

 

Yea.. now who's talking cruel... geeees!

[Californiaman]

I don't know, but something tells me that the federal government will probably set all them legless frogs up with free wheel chairs.

[Searcy]

LOL

 

Actually.... you know what really happens if you try to slowly boil a frog?

 

He hops out.

[Dallastx]

So what's next? Obama going after Harley Davidson for the pigment of their paint coming from Japan? Time for the government to quit trying to kill American companies with BS. My 2. I will support Gibson until I go to the grave.

Building turn that damn thing down for over 50 years.

D

[Morkolo]

I hope they stop it too, every time the American economy takes a hit we feel it up here (Canada).

[damian]

I don't know, but something tells me that the federal government will probably set all them legless frogs up with free wheel chairs.

 

The Fish and Wildlife folks do in fact have contingency plans to do just that....However, the ruts created by all the wheelchairs will

 

create soil erosion damaging salmon streams and will cause hardwood trees to fall and die....This will then be followed by raids

 

upon the Fish and Wildlife offices by the Gibson Company forcing the Fish and Wildlife Department to cease all operations while

 

Gibson determines just how much and how deeply they should and will be punished........

[Dallastx]

The Fish and Wildlife folks do in fact have contingency plans to do just that....However, the ruts created by all the wheelchairs will

 

create soil erosion damaging salmon streams and will cause hardwood trees to fall and die....This will then be followed by raids

 

upon the Fish and Wildlife offices by the Gibson Company forcing the Fish and Wildlife Department to cease all operations while

 

Gibson determines just how much and how deeply they should and will be punished........

Amen!

[milod]

Maybe I'm more cynical in ways and less political, but I think increasing regulation and increasing numbers of regulators creates a bureaucracy that may have its own agenda, politics and "political" supporters, but is functionally out of control of the legislative branches regardless who's "in charge" there.

 

That's in ways my rural perspective on a trend of increasingly urban-weighted and bureaucratic sort of governance that extends beyond the day-to-day of partisan political trends.

 

Bottom line is that bureaucracies may be begun for all sorts of positive purposes, but quickly congeal into self-perpetuating institutions that battle mightily not only to continue their existence, but to justify growth to allow advancement within the organization. One may "like" a given bureaucracy's activity because of one's own political perspective, and dislike others for the same reason. I'd say, take a step back, forget current political issues, and consider the overall picture.

 

Canada, Oz, NZ, UK... well, the UK... I think will see similar trends where ever we Anglophones might live.

 

As for the Gibson affair, again... there's proof that one need not file charges to meet the goal of destroying an individual or a company. That's whether Gibson did anything unethical or illegal or not.

 

m

[Searcy]

Maybe I'm more cynical in ways and less political, but I think increasing regulation and increasing numbers of regulators creates a bureaucracy that may have its own agenda, politics and "political" supporters, but is functionally out of control of the legislative branches regardless who's "in charge" there.

 

That's in ways my rural perspective on a trend of increasingly urban-weighted and bureaucratic sort of governance that extends beyond the day-to-day of partisan political trends.

 

Bottom line is that bureaucracies may be begun for all sorts of positive purposes, but quickly congeal into self-perpetuating institutions that battle mightily not only to continue their existence, but to justify growth to allow advancement within the organization. One may "like" a given bureaucracy's activity because of one's own political perspective, and dislike others for the same reason. I'd say, take a step back, forget current political issues, and consider the overall picture.

 

Canada, Oz, NZ, UK... well, the UK... I think will see similar trends where ever we Anglophones might live.

 

As for the Gibson affair, again... there's proof that one need not file charges to meet the goal of destroying an individual or a company. That's whether Gibson did anything unethical or illegal or not.

 

m

 

Word brother man!

[zigzag]

If you elect legislators, they will pass laws.

[TommyK]

What... you don't eat frog legs?

 

A City Slicker was visiting a farm. He noticed a pig with only three legs. He asked the farmer," What's with that three legged pig?" The farmer replied, "Oh, that there is a hero pig. Last fall our house caught on fire in the dead of night. The pig dug out of the pen, burst through the cat door, woke us up. He even dragged my daughter from the burning house." "So he lost his leg in the fire?" "Oh no," said the farmer, "he came through without a scratch." "Then how did he lose the leg?," asked the City Slicker. The farmer answered, "Why that there is a HERO pig. You don't eat a hero pig all at once."

[TommyK]

If you elect legislators, they will pass laws.

 

That's only a partial statement Zig. The whole statement goes, "If you elect legislators, they will pass laws, that don't apply to them."

[EVOL!]

 

this is socialist tactics at best, again, at best. for the government to have such sweeping power as to carry out armed raids on legitimate businesses is scary, the fact that this was precipitated by clerical errors is dumbfounding.

 

 

It's that Kenyan born socialist in the White House! Everybody run for cover.

[j-dub]

It's that Kenyan born socialist in the White House! Everybody run for cover.

 

everyone needs to stop pointing their finger, not that i like BO, but this is not all on him.

 

time for every single one of us to look in the mirror and ask three questions.

1. am i responsible (to fully grasp this is becoming more and more scarce)

2. am i accountable (same as above)

3. do i pull my own weight.

 

if you answered yes to these 3 questions, pat yourself on the back, you are not part of the problem.

 

the problem is, is that there are too many people with their hands out, thinking they deserve something that they haven't earned.

 

the simple truth is, society is becoming lazy and all too consumed with what others are doing, instead of tending their own business.

[martinh]

It's that Kenyan born socialist in the White House! Everybody run for cover.

 

 

I'm sure you do use the word Booger.