daveinspain Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Guitars with cigarette burns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavestate Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I was just thinking to myself while cleaning a new to me amplifier that I don't think I have ever wiped down a vintage amplifier that didn't have a cigarette burn on it. Definitely something that goes with older gear I've noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 A few of the vintage guitars that I have bought had cigarette burns on the headstocks,they were common in the 60s because anyone who smoked,also smoked on stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrosurfer1959 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yeah I have quite a few with burns anything I had in the 70's has that mark of dishonor on it and a lot of them especially on acoustics were from joint's which would slip down under the strings if you were not careful. I can remember many times when I couldn't clear one on stage I would just put it out with some beer which would get a groan and a laugh from the crowd but hey you do what you need to do. And back then I don't think anyone had ever even thought that guitars would become collectable in time. That's one of the benefits to James Trussart guitars metal plates that protect from that, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 That's how baked maple got invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 That's how baked maple got invented. My Mexican bass has some. It got little respect, and I was at the peak of my smoking & drinking while playing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 That's how baked maple got invented. He said 'baked.' :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderchild Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 First thing I'd do when setting up would be to put an ashtray on top of my amp to save it {Kustom blue sparkle} along with cigs & lighter then put the beer bottle next to them. no burns on the guitar, cause I always kept the cig or other in my lips. Front of shirt took alot of damage though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Is that an Ash bodied Tele?... P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 All kidding aside, one reason I don't particularly care if I do full indoor gigs nowadays is the no-smoking law. Spoils the fun, IMHO. Then again, I guess that makes me a grouchy old man pining for the good side of the old days. I truly cannot imagine a blues-oriented gig especially without a little cigar and a bit of banter with the audience as smoke wafts through the stage spotlight. <sigh> It's one reason life just ain't so much fun for an old picker. The friendship rituals surrounding tobacco of the first half of my life are gone, along with a more relaxed lifestyle in the saloons and coffee shops because there's not that bit of time taken messing with cigarette, cigar or pipe - and I'm just talking tobacco. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yes times have changed we are so lucky to have ground up in a free country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 All kidding aside, one reason I don't particularly care if I do full indoor gigs nowadays is the no-smoking law. Spoils the fun, IMHO. Then again, I guess that makes me a grouchy old man pining for the good side of the old days. I truly cannot imagine a blues-oriented gig especially without a little cigar and a bit of banter with the audience as smoke wafts through the stage spotlight. <sigh> It's one reason life just ain't so much fun for an old picker. The friendship rituals surrounding tobacco of the first half of my life are gone, along with a more relaxed lifestyle in the saloons and coffee shops because there's not that bit of time taken messing with cigarette, cigar or pipe - and I'm just talking tobacco. m Maybe, and I understand what you mean ( it's not about the smoke it's about the atmosphere)... but on the upside, you ( meaning the collective we) don't have to feel like you are breathing thru a straw for the last 10 years of your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matonanjin Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Maybe, and I understand what you mean ( it's not about the smoke it's about the atmosphere)... but on the upside, you ( meaning the collective we) don't have to feel like you are breathing thru a straw for the last 10 years of your life. Yup! As a former cardiopulmonary technologist I am in full support of non-smoking bars. You can have the "friendship rituals" without the smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Rowdy... Say what you will... Given the mobocracy that brings this sort of thing - and it ain't just smoking - I'm glad I'll be dead in roughly 10 years or so. It's the same mobocracy that brought millions for one company thanks to a federal law requiring a certain type of grate over swimming pool drains to "save" young children when more were dying drowning in five-gallon pails. What I find really funny, and I don't mean "ha ha," is that tobacco is verboten but now mary jane is fine. I could add law after law along the same lines. The propaganda spin machine that brings such mobocracy is, IMHO, far more terrifying for the future of western culture than al-Queda. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5Larry Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Back on topic, and still stir the pot.... The picture above is the best use for a Tele I've ever seen...., oh wait, a friend built a Tele lamp that was also very useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Is that an Ash bodied Tele?... P. Knot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Rowdy... Say what you will... Given the mobocracy that brings this sort of thing - and it ain't just smoking - I'm glad I'll be dead in roughly 10 years or so. It's the same mobocracy that brought millions for one company thanks to a federal law requiring a certain type of grate over swimming pool drains to "save" young children when more were dying drowning in five-gallon pails. What I find really funny, and I don't mean "ha ha," is that tobacco is verboten but now mary jane is fine. I could add law after law along the same lines. The propaganda spin machine that brings such mobocracy is, IMHO, far more terrifying for the future of western culture than al-Queda. m I feel you sir. There is no logical reason why such laws should be imposed on others, and such is the case with smoking in bars or clubs, it is clearly an imposition that has no ethical or logical reasoning behind it. If the 'majority' was to benifit, than it would be the case that owners and patrons of the establishments would be mostly in favor, but this has never been the case. The majority in this case, being those who do not partake or contribute to the 'minority' who do frequent such establishments. If it was true, then those who are not smokers would become a majority in such establishments, but they aren't. It just doesn't make sense to impose upon others when you aren't involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 This is not a joke... even the "casino" joints in my neck of the woods are hurting and were the instant the statewide "no smoking anywhere there are other folks, including bars" law came along. Oddly, in ways, even the corporate and franchise fern bars and restaurants that thought it was a good idea aren't tending to do as well. Smokers simply don't go out as much. They might have learned by a popular regional "steakhouse" that went non smoking and went belly up before the law. Guitar content? Yup, guess where the bar owners ain't puttin' their money? m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 This is not a joke... even the "casino" joints in my neck of the woods are hurting and were the instant the statewide "no smoking anywhere there are other folks, including bars" law came along. Oddly, in ways, even the corporate and franchise fern bars and restaurants that thought it was a good idea aren't tending to do as well. Smokers simply don't go out as much. They might have learned by a popular regional "steakhouse" that went non smoking and went belly up before the law. Guitar content? Yup, guess where the bar owners ain't puttin' their money? m It's been a few years since the law was passed here, and I can testify I haven't been out sinse, and that being one of the reasons. Does it hurt businesses? There is no doubt, it isn't just provable on paper, but it's something poeple can actually observe. And that's the thing- that "change" in culture that seems to go unnoticed. Poeple can observe the effects, and can also observe and see the imposition, but it is becoming acceptable. Even to the point of being thought of as 'ethical'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Stein... Yup... Some other observed economic factors along with fewer establishments remaining in business include fewer employees, drawback on bennies and especially smaller "home owned" joints in business although those tended to be the ones where "beginner bands" of all styles could get a start and enough bucks to upgrade equipment and learn the trade. Even Deadwood, South Dakota's answer to Las Vegas <grin>, has felt the pinch, but almost nobody has the courage to point to where the downward slope began because they get treated as though they were mad by the anti-smoking faction that has enough votes to hold the law. They also don't complain much in hopes the anti-smoking faction will side with them on state-approved higher bet limits, the answer of the bigger operations in maintaining margins. How many people don't have jobs that did prior? From what I've seen, and it's only anecdotal, I'd guess full and part time employment is down at least 25 percent, although that could be a greater cut depending on the venue and former target markets, and whether the jobs were full or part time. I see about a quarter fewer workers on weekends. "Service" has been pulled back, too, although few notice over the years since the law changed. For what it's worth, the one joint there that went "no smoking" prior to the law went broke. Guitars again... the one place I know where there is regular music is a cigar bar in Deadwood that was exempted and grandfathered by the "thou shalt not smoke in public" law. Concerts continue, although the biggest are outdoors in good weather and smoking's legal. A local saloon has an "outdoor" stage that's plasticked-in during winter where folks can smoke and that's kept it open - but karaoke has about replaced live music because even their numbers are down (it's chilly). m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.M.30! Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Oh what a shame that truly is. The daveinspain should get a whistleblower award for pointing out this problem to the masses. I imagine that cigarette burned guitars could even be in the hands of the non-smoking as well as the non-perpitrator(s). <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 This is not a joke... even the "casino" joints in my neck of the woods are hurting and were the instant the statewide "no smoking anywhere there are other folks, including bars" law came along. Oddly, in ways, even the corporate and franchise fern bars and restaurants that thought it was a good idea aren't tending to do as well. Smokers simply don't go out as much. They might have learned by a popular regional "steakhouse" that went non smoking and went belly up before the law. Guitar content? Yup, guess where the bar owners ain't puttin' their money? m around here (Northeast Alabama) the result has been a big resurgence in "Honky Tonks" (unlicensed bars usually operated in houses or garages) like back before my county went "wet" in the early 70s. and, there's been the expected uptick in stabbings & shootings at these Honky Tonks....a cpl weeks back there were 2 stabbings and a revenge shooting in 1 night @ a place near my home.....cops raided it the next night & counted over 40 ppl inside. my own cousin wasted a guy at a H/T some yrs back, but was charged with "justified homicide" because the victim had my cousins best friend at gunpoint at the time(over a woman of course). people are going to smoke & drink.....make them do it in a "hideaway" and things can go from great to chaos much too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega1 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I'm sorry, but I really think some iffy leaps of logic are being made here. You can disagree with the laws all you want, but to say that anti-smoking laws are actively killing jobs is not taking into account other factors IMHO. Times are different, people are different. People have far more options at home now than even 15 years ago. To use just one example, they can get on the internet and discover new bands, they dont have to go to a club (smoky or not) anymore. Is that a shame? Up to you, but anti-smoking laws are not a cause of the times, they are a symptom. Fewer people smoke today than in the past. Thats a fact. This means they are less of a demographic for businesses to try to capture. And non-smokers do not like to be around smoke, hence businesses who want that business must adapt. Where I live there are no laws banning restaraunts or bars from allowing smoking. And near me a Chilis is going non-smoking because they are *losing business* because of the smell. This is coming from the manager there. The wait staff is ecstatic. There arent enough smokers coming into the bar to justify losing the non-smoking business. Same thing for a BBQ joint. And a local bar who is advertising the fact that they are going non-smoking... which obviously they would not do if they werent courting non-smokers. Again, symptoms of the times, not the cause. As far as cigarrette burns on guitars, I always equte that with EVH and The Rolling Stones for some reason. Seems like those were the guys who always had a cigarrette propped up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 There's no question different marketplaces will have different results from a law, rather than a self-imposed policy. It's not a "leap of logic." The reported state gaming numbers showed it. They downplay it in their marketing for obvious reasons. Why scare away smokers even if they dump on them when they arrive? Here, there's absolutely no question that when the law came in - before the recession, btw - that business overall dropped a minimum of 15-25 percent in casino operations. That's just from the gaming, btw, not food, lodging, liquor, etc. I also saw major drops almost immediately in live entertainment. Sure, add the recession to what happened from the law, and folks did go out of business - far more rapidly than would have been the case otherwise. Here's the deal. Nobody ever said they could not go no-smoking on their own. The few restaurants, bars and casinos I'm aware of that did, went broke. Period. So those in the "we don't want smoking" crowd helped press the law so nobody could allow smoking. That gave, of course, an advantage to the large franchises such as Chili's because they draw the fern bar crowd that's most likely to be anti-smoking. If the little local operations go broke, that gives a further advantage to the Chili's, Applebees, etc., type operation. Big business knows how to play politics for their bottom line. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Is that a shame? Up to you, but anti-smoking laws are not a cause of the times, they are a symptom. Fewer people smoke today than in the past. Thats a fact. This means they are less of a demographic for businesses to try to capture. And non-smokers do not like to be around smoke, hence businesses who want that business must adapt. Interesting points, all. But look at this one: The "demographic" targeted by anti-smoking laws in most of these cases are actually comprised of a majority that smokes. In bars and clubs, smokers are by far the majority, even though they aren't the majority of the population. If it was the case that there are large numbers of non-smokers who would go to these places if only for the smoking issue, one would expect to see them swoop in. But, this isn't what happened. In most bars and clubs, it was obvious that the majority smoked, or didn't mind. Very few found in "smoking" establishments would express displeasure. And in reality, the owners and the patrons could have (and did) express the loss of business that would occur. The theory and justification presented by the ban-smoking lobby argued that there was a great deal of those who would go, but we don't see them because they are kept away by the smokers. But, this demographic just hasn't materialized. It suggest that this demographic of "non-smokers" who would go to these places don't actually exist in any significant numbers. Well, it actually proves it. I think times have changed, that's for sure, but what I notice more about the different times is that it's much more common to want to judge others, and make laws that are mostly a judgement on what others should do, rather than what they might choose to do by their own personal choice. One thing I think that supports this, is that it is more common to hear poeple complain about smokers and tobacco smoke, while it has been around the same way for generations. And, it's also ironic that at the same time, the trend toward legalizing and making the green type socially acceptable is on the rise. Even more ironic that they are often both from the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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