gearbasher Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Here's a photo of The Byrds at the Ryman Auditorium in 1968. Check out Gram Parsons' Dove. Set up like a J-160e. Was it a standard model? Custom? I never saw one before. And, after seeing this photo, I've searched and can't come up with another. Edited September 24, 2019 by gearbasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchabalk Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Here's another thread on the same guitar - they've got a little more discussion on it. Forum Thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olie Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, gearbasher said: Here's a photo of The Byrds at the Ryman Auditorium in 1968. Check out Gram Parsons' Dove. Set up like a J-160e. Was it a standard model? Custom? I never saw one before. And, after seeing this photo, I've searched and can't come up with another. I think that is Roger McGuinn playing the Dove. From l-r I believe it's Kevin Kelley,Gram,Roger and Chris Hillman.They performed Merle Haggard's "Sing Me Back Home" and Gram's "Hickory Wind" and were heckled and booed. Interesting mod on the Dove. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Heckled and boo'ed at the Ryman? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Yeah, there is a well known and oft published series of photos from 1968 which show that Dove being played by Gram , Keef and Taj Mahal. That guitar with its P90 pickup has been discussed here before with many believing it was a custom order as that model was never commercially available. According to legend, Chris Hillman was so fed up with Gram being late for or missing rehearsals that he smashed one of his guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Splendid pic(s) - knew the second, not the first. Something tells me that Dove went over to the other side. Else it would have been flashed on the web long ago. A bit of a shame since it's so unique. Could it be the one Hillman turned into smithereens. Guess yes. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75 Hummingbird Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Great picture of Keith Richards with Gram ...Keith`s looking for a Stone unturned ...or a lost hit of smack . Gibson sure did put out custom orders back then with out a doubt . The control knobs don`t look period correct but ....they appear to be off an electric Gibson. I bet it sounded great ...is it known to be on a particular recording ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 23 hours ago, Murph said: Heckled and boo'ed at the Ryman? I'll be darned. It did happen. Nashville eventually came around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Murph said: I'll be darned. It did happen. Nashville eventually came around. They booed Dylan at the Newport folk festival in 1965 when he played "Maggie's Farm" and "Like a Rolling Stone", with a Strat around his neck and Kooper and Butterfield backing him up. We all got over that pretty quickly. The times, they were a-changing. Edited September 25, 2019 by j45nick fix spelling error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Sometimes the fact that performers get razzed is because they're a step or two ahead of the curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSun Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Hillman smashed his Epiphone Frontier - the Gibson Dive with J-160e appointments was given to Ric Grech (who produced G.P.). Last I heard Keith Richards bought it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 On 11/8/2023 at 7:30 PM, SilverSun said: Hillman smashed his Epiphone Frontier - the Gibson Dive with J-160e appointments was given to Ric Grech (who produced G.P.). Last I heard Keith Richards bought it. Thanx for the insight. No matter what it's bad style to smash a guitar, , , , or any other instrument for that matter. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) I thought I read one time that Emmylou Harris bought a broken up SJ200 from Gram's widow and had it reconstructed? Sounds like Gram or his band mates liked breaking up guitars. Edited November 11, 2023 by Dave F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I never liked the idea of smashing your instruments either. I wonder how many Pete Townshend smashed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ceptorman said: I never liked the idea of smashing your instruments either. I wonder how many Pete Townshend smashed? So many it came close to smashing his reputation in the looong run. . Apart from that, listen to his spare-time-album with Small Faces bass-player Ronnie Lane. Excellent stuff - in fact smaching. . Edited November 11, 2023 by E-minor7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 It’s a Dove modded like a J-160E.. It was probably a great Guitar.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 On 9/24/2019 at 6:40 AM, zombywoof said: According to legend, Chris Hillman was so fed up with Gram being late for or missing rehearsals that he smashed one of his guitars. Didn't work. Shoulda popped him in the lip. He might be alive today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Murph said: Didn't work. Shoulda popped him in the lip. He might be alive today. I doubt it. Parsons made the same mistake Tim Buckley did and paid the ultimate price for it. Imagine though what music these guys might have been making had they not been taken from us as early as they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I for one wished the “Byrds” original line up would have stayed together.. They were just beginning.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Is that a Tune-O-Matic bridge (saddle) on Gram's Dove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, 62burst said: Is that a Tune-O-Matic bridge (saddle) on Gram's Dove? Eeehh, yes, Burst. The next Q is whether it has nylon or metal-blades. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) On 11/11/2023 at 9:48 AM, Murph said: Didn't work. Shoulda popped him in the lip. He might be alive today. Gram was a junkie, so a pop to the jaw would not solve a thing. Edited November 14, 2023 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Richie Halens and Buddy Holly were 'taken from us'. Parsons, Joplin and Van Gogh took themselves from us. Nothing more tragic than taking one's own life, actively or passively. Artist, poet, musician... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, fortyearspickn said: Richie Halens and Buddy Holly were 'taken from us'. Parsons, Joplin and Van Gogh took themselves from us. Nothing more tragic than taking one's own life, actively or passively. Artist, poet, musician... I think Buddy Holly was the best rocker this country has produced. We still hear his music everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ceptorman said: I think Buddy Holly was the best rocker this country has produced. We still hear his music everywhere. It was years and I mean years before I knew the song Well . . . Alright was written by Buddy and not Blind Faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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