bobrollar Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Let me start with saying that the mighty Zeppelin is an awesome band as we all know already but........I put on some old vinyl the other day and came across an old favorite, Spirit, they used to open for Zep in the late 60's and listening to the song from Spirit's 1st album Taurus, it sound veeeery familiar : [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjq6KOL6_4Y[/YOUTUBE] Now this album was released a few years before Zeppelin IV. I just want everyone's input on this, did Page really steal or "borrow" one of their most famous songs or what, this has always been nagging me and just want to know what other people thought about it. hmmmmm[confused] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrollar Posted June 4, 2010 Author Share Posted June 4, 2010 Thinking about now, I know its not the exact same song but the main riff is very familiar..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I played the clip but must of missed the part in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamman Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I hear what your talking about , but i don't know.... the line seems generic in a way. maybe that's just me. anyway , what's done is done . and if they didn't have a problem with it . it's all Zep's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobrollar Posted June 4, 2010 Author Share Posted June 4, 2010 The line im thinking of starts around 00:45 seconds in, and jamman your right it is very generic, but just thought it was odd that Spirit opened for them in the late 60s and Zepp released a very similar main riff a few years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyB Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I think the "homage" is obvious, particularly since the bands toured together. I once read where Randy California was totally ticked about the note for note lift and the fact that he never received any royalties from it. Granted, LZ embellished the riff substantially, but there's little question in my mind that Stairway's genesis is from Spirit's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeVeeWee Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 The opening part has a lot to do with 'Stairway...' but I don't see/hear any further ressemblance ... what can not be said of this one (and actually is confirmed!) [YOUTUBE] [/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I hear a variant of the progression to stairway to heaven, but not exactly. This is like with blues I IV V progression. There are many variants of that progression, but not exactly the same. So I don't feel Led Zep stole anything here. However, I recall Led Zep being sued for a blues tune and the creator of the song was not credited for it. I forgot which popular bluesman was suing Led Zep. Now if you want a total rip off, here is one about Led Zep. "Boogie With Stu" from Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti album was inspired by Valen's song "Oooh, My Head". It did not credit Ritchie Valens or Bob Keane. Eventually, a lawsuit was filed by Bob Keane and half of the award went to Valens' mother, although she was not part of the suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeVeeWee Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I hear a variant of the progression to stairway to heaven' date=' but not exactly. This is like with blues I IV V progression. There are many variants of that progression, but not exactly the same. So I don't feel Led Zep stole anything here. However, I recall Led Zep being sued for a blues tune and the creator of the song was not credited for it. I forgot which popular bluesman was suing Led Zep.[/quote'] They did several Willie Dixon songs, like 'You shook me', 'I can't quit you baby' ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Played arpeggio this one's the same; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXXThSZjNvQ Both this and 'Stairway' were released in the same year to boot...Which came first? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstar232007 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It's only different from the "Stairway" riff by one note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Zep..... steal? [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB9ed7mVdHE[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeVeeWee Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Great to see those posts ... actually the Zep was just a good cover band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Its no secret that they "borrowed" much of what they did. Some they changed slightly some were pretty blatant. I remember years ago my brother playing different Zep cuts and then the original artist songs and i had to laugh. Howard Stern even did a bit on it once. I heard that they did eventually change some songwriter credits on albums but others may know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Owl Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 This was posted as an article at Cracked.com take from it what you will. Led Zeppelin are remembered for two things: banging a groupie with a mudshark and recording songs that rocked harder than any band had ever rocked before. Too bad a bunch of that **** was stolen. Don't believe us? Well, here's a whole laundry list of songs they stole; but if the words of a dawn-of-the-Internet era website aren't enough to convince you, consider their classic song "Dazed and Confused." Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18500_the-5-most-famous-musicians-who-are-thieving-bastards.html#ixzz0pyuUSQrl A young Jake Holmes played a song of the same name (and chords, and lyrics kind of) at a show in 1967 where he was opening for The Yardbirds, who featured--say it with us!-- Jimmy Page on guitar. "Dazed and Confused" became a mainstay of The Yardbirds live sets and eventually found its way onto Zep's 1969 debut album, where it was credited to... nobody. Holmes never took legal action but he did eventually send Page a letter asking for acknowledgement and maybe a little gas money if he could spare it (he could). The letter went unanswered. There's more feel free to follow the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepblue Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 There has been rumours for years, that Zeppelin paid off certain bands for the rights to their songs. As far as the "Stairway ripoff"....Zep & Spirit did tour....I wonder if Jimmy picked up a lick or two? No matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Zep..... steal? [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB9ed7mVdHE[/YOUTUBE] Wow, that was one I missed. I actually like that song more than "Since I've Been..." The one that really jumped out at me was John Prine's guitar on "Illegal Smile." (I couldn't find the studio version on YouTube) and Zep's "Bron Yur Aur"...almost an identical lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lespaulj45 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 almost every song they did included Chess Records/Willie Dixon lyrics or a variation of the old chicago blues masters-there is only so many 5 note pentatonic runs....its what they didnt play thats impressive..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 It's no secret that Page had been accused and even sued for plagiarism. Some of the ripoffs are obvious others are not. However, it wasn't uncommon for the older blues men to take another's tune and change a bit of it in an attempt to make it their own Here a tune that Page ripped off from Beck's fist solo album. It ruined a friendship... [YOUTUBE] [/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigh Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 As Keith Richards once said "Theres only been one song ever written & it was written by Adam & everyone else has stolen from that" or something to that effect. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look! Im guitarest! Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 I discovered that song months ago and I'm a Zep fan but I think it's funny that the riff that everyone thinks Zeppelin is so genious for was copied from a much less known band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Page said he got the Chord run and descending bass line idea from classical Flamenco music. He could be full of it, but it sound pretty Flamencoy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassmedic05 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Listen to some "Mothers Finest" the song is Mickeys Monkey.......sounds alot like "Custard Pie" from Zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetMarie Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Let's not forget "Black Mountain Side" - completely and entirely lifted from "Blackwaterside" by Annie Briggs via Bert Jansch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mick Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 As Keith Richards once said "Theres only been one song ever written & it was written by Adam & everyone else has stolen from that" or something to that effect. Craig All music is just an evolution of what has come before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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