binendra Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 currently i saw this guitar on a sale it says gibson and looks pretty old any idea of this real or fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 It’s not a Gibson, sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 That peghead logo is comical, at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 That is what we call a fake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: That is what we call a fake. Yeah, but really skillfully done. So tell us binendra, how much was the seller asking for this fine example of the rare Gibson Mockingbird guitar? RBSinTo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Actually the headstock looks Yamaki. someone wanted a guitar they would never really get to own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, RBSinTo said: Yeah, but really skillfully done. So tell us binendra, how much was the seller asking for this fine example of the rare Gibson Mockingbird guitar? RBSinTo Dont give Gibson any ideas about a Mockingbird. They have the skills to build one. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 At least they spelled Gibson correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 This is actually a Martin CEO 000-28-2020 Mockingbird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucebubs Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Love those bridge pins sitting out that far! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 There was a resale equipment store (or at least there was) in the village I live in that had a similar looking “thing” in it selling for $500. It had a sign in it in big letters or something saying Gibson guitar, $500. I stared at it thinking what the heck is that, an actual counterfeit. It was on the ground level of hanging guitars, so I picked it up and played it a bit, thinking this is no Gibson. The next day I brought my grown son to the store and showed him the guitar and with no reservations about it, explained to my son how this was an actual fake Gibson, some other guitar brand doctored to sell to some unknowing person. I could see the store owner listening to everything I said to my son. About 3 weeks later I went back into the store. The guitar now hung way up on the wall of the store where no one could possible reach it. And, the mentioned sign on it was nowhere to be found. I could never figure out if the store owner got bamboozled by someone selling it to the store or if the store owner intentionally tried duping people. But, I was glad to see at least the owner put the guitar totally out of reach. I have no clue if someone asked him to bring it down if he would tell them what he heard me tell my son about it being fake. I don’t plan on going back into the store. QM aka “Jazzman” Jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binendra Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 actually seller was asking for $300 for this and even i disn some reasearch and i found out that this is 1970s japanese made one I think its a lawsuit copy but still not sure about the logo ive found lot of guitars with the same pickguard design with different brands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugsy Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 CMIIW, apart from gibson logo and Dove-ish pickguard, the shape of the body and headstock is really look like a typical martin copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bugy Priadinata said: CMIIW, apart from gibson logo and Dove-ish pickguard, the shape of the body and headstock is really look like a typical martin copy. Obviously a counterfeit copy designed by committee. A Martson Mockingbird guitar. Sweet! RBSinTo Edited June 2, 2020 by RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 If the neck were any thinner, it would be a mandolin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, fortyearspickn said: If the neck were any thinner, it would be a mandolin. I think that about mid- to late-1960s Gibsons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, fortyearspickn said: If the neck were any thinner, it would be a mandolin. Are you saying this is a bad thing? RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchabalk Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 It's the distant cousin to the Dove - the Gibson Pigeon. If you're not careful it'll poop on your head 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, binendra said: actually seller was asking for $300 for this and even i disn some reasearch and i found out that this is 1970s japanese made one. I think its a lawsuit copy but still not sure about the logo ive found lot of guitars with the same pickguard design with different brands The term “lawsuit copy” gets used all the time, but there was actually only one lawsuit in the ‘70s. Gibson sued Ibanez (their guitars were still clearly labeled as an Ibanez) for copying characteristics of Gibsons. It was settled out of court if I recall correctly. That said, some of the best Japanese acoustic copies in the ‘70s were made by Takamine - in particular, copies of Martins & Guilds. And the well-established Japanese companies never put another maker’s name on the headstock (edit: although they did stylistically copy logos). Edited June 2, 2020 by bobouz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, bobouz said: The term “lawsuit copy” gets used all the time, but there was actually only one lawsuit in the ‘70s. Gibson sued Ibanez (their guitars were still clearly labeled as an Ibanez) for copying characteristics of Gibsons. It was settled out of court if I recall correctly. That said, some of the best Japanese acoustic copies in the ‘70s were made by Takamine - in particular, copies of Martins & Guilds. And the well-established Japanese companies never put another maker’s name on the headstock (edit: although they did stylistically copy logos). Unlike the counterfeit Martins and Gibsons coming out of China that are meant to deceive ( secondary) buyers. The original purchasers are obviously more concerned with appearance than quality, as they know what they're getting. RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 9 hours ago, RBSinTo said: Are you saying this is a bad thing? RBSinTo For some of us - yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 It sure is a good copy. But the dead give-away is the three screws instead of two in the truss rod cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucebubs Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, fortyearspickn said: It sure is a good copy. But the dead give-away is the three screws instead of two in the truss rod cover. ... and the zero fret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 8 hours ago, zombywoof said: For some of us - yes. Before I knew any better, I owned a few really bad guitars including a nickel-dime electric that had a "baseball bat" neck combined with action that I could slide my hand under. Understandably, it was rather difficult to play, and it was only when a good friend got an ES-335, that I came to appreciate thin necks and good action. And except for the possibility that a thicker neck would be more stable and less prone to warping, I don't understand why it would be preferred. I'd appreciate if you would enlighten me. Please and thanks RBSinTo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, RBSinTo said: Before I knew any better, I owned a few really bad guitars including a nickel-dime electric that had a "baseball bat" neck combined with action that I could slide my hand under. Understandably, it was rather difficult to play, and it was only when a good friend got an ES-335, that I came to appreciate thin necks and good action. And except for the possibility that a thicker neck would be more stable and less prone to warping, I don't understand why it would be preferred. I'd appreciate if you would enlighten me. Please and thanks RBSinTo No enlightenment forthcoming from me, The point is, builders, in a nod to the growing popularity of electric guitars, started to try and make their acoustics feel more like them and so you get an onslaught of acoustics touting their slim, low action, fast playing necks. Some people like them. . Others, however, do not. My favorite Gibson necks remain the V and Roundback D carves they used in the 1930s and Banners without truss rods. But even they are dwarfed by the V neck on say my 1942 Harmony H165 Stella which many folks I know find too formidable to play. Stability wise, stiffness has less to do with girth than construction (laminate or solid wood without truss rods), use of bar frets (which served the same function as compression fretting) and such. Problem is even the massive three piece laminate necks such as those used by Regal on their 12 strings (which they advertised as "unwarpable") fell prey to glue giving up the ghost Edited June 3, 2020 by zombywoof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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