cookieman15061 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Anyone that follows college football in general and Penn State in particular has to be shocked at the recent events coming out of Happy Valley. Looks like the accusations are true as more victims come forward. Paterno is surely done and his great years of running a highly respected program are tarnished forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 What he and other high ranking school officials knew about his former coach molesting young boys is anyone's guess but looks like there might have been some sort of cover up also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 . A very disturbing and disgusting story is emerging from Penn State. I hope the number of victims is limited to what is currently known (8 and now 9), but I fear there will be more. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yeah, the idea of a college coach knowing that one of his coaches was sodomizing a kid in the shower and did nothing about it is tantamont to cupability. I guess the athletic director and president of the school are also going down (so to speak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl00dsm0k3 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 i heard the press was on his lawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnastynebr Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Joe Pat passed the allegations up the chain. He did what he was supposed to do. The failure is on the part of the uppers of the athletic department. I doubt this will take away from everything Pat has accomplished in his 347 years as Penn State's head coach. If he resigns, it will because he finally did what he should have done long ago, not over this. What are kids doing on Penn State's campus anyway??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Yea, hearing about the allegations was shocking. I googled and found out that (what I read) an undergraduate had seen Sadowski doing a 10 year old, then went to Paterno's house and told him about it. Paterno then told his next up what he had been told. Maybe he knows more. Maybe Paterno did cover something up. Maybe he is guilty, which to me, would be something to be guilty of, But so far, that is all I have been able to find out about what he knew. Sinse when did someone you don't really know telling you something translate into having knowledge of a terrible act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnastynebr Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I find this all very disturbing, but some elements smell fishy. Do you really think an assistant coach would engage in this horrible act in the Nittany Lions locker room? Knowing anyone could walk in at any time (apparently, somebody did walk in)? If this really happened, would the athletic program risk a cover up for an employee that would be stupid enough to molest a minor in the locker room shower? As far as Joe Pat is concerned, he has just run out of friends. This hit the fan at a time when everyone was trying to figure out how to get rid of the old b@stard anyway. I heard an interview with Paterno that was broadcasted by an affiliate station that was replayed on Colin Cowherd's ESPN radio show early this year. It portrayed him as a borderline senile, frail, confused, and dementia stricken senior that should be in assisted living, not coaching an elite Big 10 football program. With Bowden bowing out in 09, Joe is certainly the last of his kind, but the athletic program has to be thinking "what have you done lately". Joe has not won a championship since the 1980s as an independent, and went 15 seasons without winning the conference after claiming the title his first year. He has brought home conference titles in 05 and 08 (which is probably the only reason he was not let go years ago), but Penn State leadership has to be ready for some fresh legs in the coaching department. This is just a convenient way to let the old man go. If this was a young elite level coach, you bet PS would be fighting to save him. This is just what happens when you don't know when to duck out. He should have bounced after the 08 Rose Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluzhammer Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The disconcerting part to me is that the police were not notified immediately when the incident was initially witnessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShredAstaire Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The disconcerting part to me is that the police were not notified immediately when the incident was initially witnessed. Exactly...when you see this, you don't tell your boss...you tell the police. Anything else is WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 What are kids doing on Penn State's campus anyway??? Almost all higher-educational institutions sponsor or cater to summer programs for elementary and high-school age kids. It's a way to utilize resources and staff as well as to generate revenue during the off months. Not to mention a priviledge for the kids to use pro-level facilities and receive training from world-class instructors. It's not the victim's fault that some pervert coach abused them. They had nothing to do with arranging the programs, paying the fees, or ending up alone in a shower with a child molester. That's all on PSU and the jacka$$es that oversaw the program and then tried to cover it up. As a Pennsylvanian that has been to the main and satellite campuses many times I am sickened by all this. I was hoping to send both my kids to PSU, but that's off the table now unless they close the football program down permanently: http://www.washingto...oiL0M_blog.html In any case, I hope the string they ba$tards up. I do agree that Joe Pat should resign - It's long overdue anyway. He should have called the police straight away. PS, I have noticed that the PSU stickers on every other car around here seem to have disappeared overnight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnastynebr Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I never implied that it was the victim's fault. I was simply wondering what a kid was doing in the Penn State locker room. I attended a Big 12 school with an elite football program, and even employees of the Athletic department had to sign waivers just to walk through the weight room. Ive seen all kinds of scandals involving improper benefits, police corruption, and domestic violence cover ups, but I have never seen a kid within 10,000 feet of the Cornhusker locker room. Basketball camps and track meets? Sure. But I can promise you that Penn State does not turn its multimillion dollar work out facility into a McDonald's play land to generate a couple of bucks in the summer. I WORKED for an athletic department, and I think I was in the locker room twice. Why? Because players and coaching staff are the only ones allowed in the locker room. First, I don't believe that a coach of an AQ program would be dumb enough to do something like this at work. Second, I don't believe you can randomly grab a kid from basketball camp and take them back to the locker room for a shower, and third, I don't believe anyone would consciously cover up a credible allegation like this and risk the kind of mayhem that has ensued for a coach that has displayed very questionable judgement. Everyone grabbed their torches and nooses when the story broke, but no one stopped to think.....does this story even sound plausible? or even possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 First, I don't believe that a coach of an AQ program would be dumb enough to do something like this at work. That's what people thought about Catholic priests. It's also why the abuse went on for decades. In Ireland, it permeated the Catholic-run entire K-12 system for 50 years. http://www.belfastte...l-14312313.html Second, I don't believe you can randomly grab a kid from basketball camp and take them back to the locker room for a shower, You can if you have worked there for 30+ years and have unquestionable authority - just like Priests. and third, I don't believe anyone would consciously cover up a credible allegation like this and risk the kind of mayhem that has ensued for a coach that has displayed very questionable judgement. I don't think JP thought he was actively participating in a coverup, he thought that reporting it to his superiors was enough. Turns out, he was wrong. Everyone grabbed their torches and nooses when the story broke, but no one stopped to think.....does this story even sound plausible? or even possible? Some people would like to try the Pope for War Crimes because the abuse went on for so long and was essentially santcioned by the Mother Church. If your child was abused by a Priest, a coach, a teacher, or anyone else assumed to have unimpeachable moral authority, you'd grab a pitchfork and a torch too. BTW, Sandusky's facing charges of molesting 8 boys. Is it plausible that 8 different kids would conspire to make up similar storys? And why? How many more will come forward in the next few months? I think it will be dozens, if not hundreds. http://www.nytimes.c...chsexabusecases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daryl M Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 The trouble with the court of public opinion is that the verdict comes in first, then the trial. Maybe all of the alligations are true, maybe not, but either way my heart goes out to the victims, whoever they are. I also feel for the students and the university who are caught in the crossfire of this terrible ordeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I'll be at PSU on Friday, I'll let you know how they feel about it from the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 In cases like this. I think lie detector tests and 'truth' drugs should be used. If you've done no wrong you've got nothing to fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 In cases like this. I think lie detector tests and 'truth' drugs should be used. If you've done no wrong you've got nothing to fear. and who's gonna decide which cases a persons rights can be violated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy60 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I never implied that it was the victim's fault. I was simply wondering what a kid was doing in the Penn State locker room. I attended a Big 12 school with an elite football program, and even employees of the Athletic department had to sign waivers just to walk through the weight room. Ive seen all kinds of scandals involving improper benefits, police corruption, and domestic violence cover ups, but I have never seen a kid within 10,000 feet of the Cornhusker locker room. Basketball camps and track meets? Sure. But I can promise you that Penn State does not turn its multimillion dollar work out facility into a McDonald's play land to generate a couple of bucks in the summer. I WORKED for an athletic department, and I think I was in the locker room twice. Why? Because players and coaching staff are the only ones allowed in the locker room. First, I don't believe that a coach of an AQ program would be dumb enough to do something like this at work. Second, I don't believe you can randomly grab a kid from basketball camp and take them back to the locker room for a shower, and third, I don't believe anyone would consciously cover up a credible allegation like this and risk the kind of mayhem that has ensued for a coach that has displayed very questionable judgement. Everyone grabbed their torches and nooses when the story broke, but no one stopped to think.....does this story even sound plausible? or even possible? okay, i guess you just need to read this: http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf and there are kids and adults (who were victimized as kids) coming outta the woodwork each day as word gets out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Penn State...........State Penn............... .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 There is a local sports announcer and "voice of The Ravens" named Gerry Sandusky. Pronounced the same way as Jerry Sandusky. Even though local news has repeated clarified that the Jerry Sandusky who is accused of child molestation at Penn State is not the same as our Gerry Sandusky (and there is no relation), some people still don't realize they aren't the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOL! Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 As of 21:20hrs Central US time, Paterno is fired. Only right thing Penn State did in this whole ordeal. More heads need to roll and someone(s) needs to go to prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnastynebr Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Wow. I have to admit that when I first heard the facts of the case, I flat out didn't believe it. It sounded more like the back of a bad novel written by a crappy author than an actual chain of events. I have watched this story develop over the past 12 hours, and it's apparent that there is truth to these allegations. I must apologize if I sounded insensitive, and my heart goes out to the innocent victims in this case. But in my defense, really? I mean.....really? Penn State? One of the most elite NCAA football programs in the country.......really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Penn State? One of the most elite NCAA football programs in the country.......really? Yes really. Excuse me, I need to go throw up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl00dsm0k3 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 i was listening to dve morning show they said mark madden was talking to a radio station in boston on more kids that sandusky raped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Idiot rioting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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