Duende Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 edit http://forum.gibson....midtown-custom/ haven't been around much and found it after in the search - so double post - sorry Matt
pippy Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Hi there, Matt. Thanks for the double post! I'm never on the Epi side so I'd never have seen the post in the link! This one is GORGEOUS and for only £941 ! ! ! Totally CLASS ! ! ! P.
LarryUK Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I prefer the black. I wonder what the sound difference would be to a Les Paul? Their mainly solid body aren't they? Plus the fretboard looks better than baked maple.
LarryUK Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 With this and the classic custom. Gibson are finally putting decent pricing on nice models. This model is a similar price to a LP studio. I know which I'd rather have!
pippy Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 ...the fretboard looks better than baked maple... The fretboard is listed as being made of 'Richlite®' and so, Google being my friend, did a search. Here's a little bit of what the manufacturers themselves say about the product; "...Richlite® Industrial Composites combine many of the positive aspects of wood, metal, and plastic. Originally designed for use in the production of the Boeing 747, Richlite® industrial material is hard, yet easy to machine, has a high strength to weight ratio, and is chemically and thermally stable...." I don't have a problem with that. I've played some (fairly) recent Hagstroms with 'boards made from a man-made material and they played exactly like ebony. P.
Dub-T-123 Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Don't those have plastic fretboards? If so, that's a major turn off. They look awesome though.
pippy Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Don't those have plastic fretboards? If so, that's a major turn off. They look awesome though. LOL! I was typing my reply at the same time as you... As a matter of interest, Dub, (and definitely not trying to start a bun-fight!) why would a non-wood 'board put you off? Have you tried one out? If not then you might be in for a pleasant surprise. As I've just posted I tried out three recently and If I had been blindfolded and told the 'board was a plank of dense-grained ebony then I would have believed it. I don't know what effect - if any - it has on the end-result tone-wise, but as far as the tactile aspect goes then it was very nice indeed. Not as 'warm' to the touch as rosewood maybe? But perhaps that's just my imagination... P.
LarryUK Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I should imagine. The first instruments were 'French' polished. I bet people complained about painting them at first. We have to move forward.
sellen Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Wow the black on is just a beauty. What the fretboard is made of, i don't care as long as it feels and sound good. At least at this prize. I might save up for this one as i more and more like to practice unplugged, at least in the evening and night(don't wanna bother my neigh boards) . Guess it's a Gibson USA custom, not a Gibson custom shop guitar. Not that it matter.
pippy Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 ... Their mainly solid body aren't they? I've just checked the specs on the Gibson site and they're chambered rather than the normal ES practice of having a 'centre-block'. Here are a couple of quotes; "... With a trimmed-down and more player-friendly body size that still emulates the lines of the ES models, but built with the chambered solid-wood construction (rather than a laminated top and back with solid center block), the Midtown Custom truly embodies the optimum marriage of solidbody and archtop..." ...using Grade-A timbers beneath the three translucent finish options. A solid mahogany body is strategically chambered for optimum resonance and capped with a solid carved maple top with traditional f-holes, which is finished in your choice of high-gloss Heritage Sunburst, Vintage Sunburst, Antique Natural or Ebony Black..." Having now seen all four finishes I'd be hard-pressed to choose between the Ebony and the Vintage Sunburst... [drool] [drool] P.
badbluesplayer Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Plastic made from formaldehyde. I'll pass on that for now. I think I'll stick with rosewood or ebony, like normal guitar makers use. I see these guitars becoming the laughingstock of the Gibson line.
saturn Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 The fretboard is listed as being made of 'Richlite®' and so, Google being my friend, did a search. Here's a little bit of what the manufacturers themselves say about the product; "...Richlite® Industrial Composites combine many of the positive aspects of wood, metal, and plastic. Originally designed for use in the production of the Boeing 747, Richlite® industrial material is hard, yet easy to machine, has a high strength to weight ratio, and is chemically and thermally stable...." I don't have a problem with that. I've played some (fairly) recent Hagstroms with 'boards made from a man-made material and they played exactly like ebony. P. I wonder if that's the same stuff this guy was telling me about? One of the customers our machine shop does work for, said his company is working on some new composite material for PRS to use in their nuts.
Guest farnsbarns Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I want one! At least, I want to try one. I have no problem with a paper/resin composite fingerboard as long as it sounds good. Strangely, I've virtually designed that body construction and shape in my head recently. I'd defo go for black though. Thanks Matt.
HarpBoy Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Plastic made from formaldehyde. I'll pass on that for now. I think I'll stick with rosewood or ebony, like normal guitar makers use. I see these guitars becoming the laughingstock of the Gibson line. You are aware that Martin (fairly normal) uses Richlite for the fingerboard of many of their guitars, right?
anotherguyplayingguitar Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Let's see here..... PROS: The vintage sunburst finish is beautiful, I guess it is technically a Gibson 'custom'..like it matters, The inlays are nice on the headstock and fretboard, I like the fact that they shrunk the typical body design for the ES series, bet it sounds cleaner than most due to the chambered body, probably relatively light on the shoulder due to decreased body mass and flat-top design. CONS: After doing thorough research on this synthetic fingerboard, I've come to the conclusion: People gasped at the SG at first...Les Paul himself demanded his name was removed...and now I wouldn't call any other guitar my main SOO..inginuity...why not? Oh..because it's not for me, that's why not. I like rosewood the best, someone above me said it best about it having a "warm" feeling. Au naturale.. On another note, flat-top probably noticabley cuts the sustain compared to the contour of the original ES line. Not neccessarily a con, but I mean come on, who doesn't love sustain? Well there you have it.. my 2 cents -Anotherguy
charlie brown Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 "Cuts the Sustain???" Why, because the ES line will feedback, faster than a solidbody, therefore adding sustain, by it's feedback?? Solid body Les Paul's and SG's have plenty of sustain. I doubt the f holes, and chambering will have that much negative effect, on sustain. I've played a number of Epiphone "Kat" series guitars, and they seems to have plenty of sustain, if/when needed. They too, are chambered, with f holes. So...??? But, until we can play one, I guess we won't really know for sure, huh? CB
badbluesplayer Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 You are aware that Martin (fairly normal) uses Richlite for the fingerboard of many of their guitars, right? Not mine.
Dub-T-123 Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 LOL! I was typing my reply at the same time as you... As a matter of interest, Dub, (and definitely not trying to start a bun-fight!) why would a non-wood 'board put you off? Have you tried one out? If not then you might be in for a pleasant surprise. As I've just posted I tried out three recently and If I had been blindfolded and told the 'board was a plank of dense-grained ebony then I would have believed it. I don't know what effect - if any - it has on the end-result tone-wise, but as far as the tactile aspect goes then it was very nice indeed. Not as 'warm' to the touch as rosewood maybe? But perhaps that's just my imagination... P. I haven't tried one out but the thought of a plastic fretboard is scary haha. I guess the thought of dropping $1500 on a guitar with a plastic fretboard just sounds really stupid to me. I don't really understand why Gibson would put the custom shop name on this. I mean I do.. Obviously so it sounds "fancier" or whatever.. But if you really think about the specs for a minute, this is a pretty watered down guitar (compared to custom shop Gibsons). To me the custom shop just means they don't cut corners on the guitars. This seems like they cut corners to some degree on just about everything to make it cheaper. Not saying that they aren't good.. I haven't even tried one(I'm honestly sure they're great). But saying it's the cheapest custom shop Gibson ever doesn't mean much to me, as it seems like they did the regular routine that they do to the cheaper models and then slapped the custom shop name on them. With all that being said, I'm really interested in trying one and feeling the fretboard. I want it to be good. I really do haha
rct Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I don't think anyone has called it a Custom Shoppe guitar. It's a Midtown Custom. Like there's a Les Paul, and then there's a Les Paul Custom with block at first fret, multiple bound body neck and headstock, sometimes three pickups, teenie weenie frets that nobody likes. Like that. Until The New World Order declares a shortage of precious rosewood, I find this stuff just trickery to cut costs. I'm sure that just like baked, roasted, and saute'd maple, it will become an articulation enhancer or some sort of tone frequency combobulator or some other such garbage. It's cheap, and they still charge me for a rosewood board. That in itself is a cheap way to run a business. rct
Dub-T-123 Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Sorry I misread the "description" of the thread title.
Jeff-7 Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Richlite is also used for countertops and various other things. I'd play one just to see what they're like but I don't see myself buying one.
duane v Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 That's a hell of a price ..... And I need a semi-hollow with good upper fret access I'm willing to take a chance on it.... If I dont like it, I'll have my Luthier slap on an ebony board with abalone block inlays for $400.
Thundergod Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 P. Ok, I might buy me another gibson... that sunburst thing looks amazing.
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