onewilyfool Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I heard a rumor that they stopped, but is it official??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeyesofmorbo Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I just bought a j 45 tv made in February of this year and it has solid fretboard and bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I just bought a j 45 tv made in February of this year and it has solid fretboard and bridge. Was in a shop a few weeks ago and on brand new guitars 3 had laminated bridges the other 4 had solid bridges. Thats 3 out of the 7 in this pic. IMG_1551 by bobbyjeepyj, on Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewilyfool Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 That's kind of disappointing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeyesofmorbo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Was in a shop a few weeks ago and on brand new guitars 3 had laminated bridges the other 4 had solid bridges. Thats 3 out of the 7 in this pic. IMG_1551 by bobbyjeepyj, on Flickr Did you notice any correlation between solid bridges and higher end models, such as TV versus Standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdd707 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 It was posted here several months ago that the dreaded L componants have ceased to exist. In additiion, I've checked out almost all of the new instruments coming into the local 5 Star Dealer (and they get a lot) and have not seen many and not any in recent months. I think it's safe to say that they are a thing of the past. My L00 TV proudly sports a two piece "Lacy era" bridge and tonally I can't determine that it matters. Of course there is no practical way to A/B this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm new on this topic... When did Gibson start using laminated fretboards and bridges? I'm not sure I ever noticed it on any instruments... QM aka Jazzman Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 When did Gibson start using laminated fretboards and bridges? I'm not sure I ever noticed it on any instruments... Yea. What's the details and the timeline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I am going to risk being obnoxious here but ask what is all the ruckus about. I cannot see where this would have one smidgeon of impact on sound or feel. No different than when Leo Fender went to thin slab boards and a different finish on his guitars. While folks at the time grumbled about Leo being a cheapskate (which he was) today those guitars are highly sought after and sell for a pretty penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 ... What's the details and the timeline? I'll take a shot off the cuff at it - The use came about from supply problems after the raids in 2009 and 2011. Sometime in 2011 it started on 2012 models in the Acoustic division, along with all the alternate woods and synthetic material in the electric divisions. Layering came to an end in the Acoustic division in the second half of 2012. I think it was used a bit longer in the electric divisions. And even though there are those who can't understand it, some don't like layering in fretboards and bridges - but it's certainly their prerogative, no explanation needed. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Nilppeznaf Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'll take a shot off the cuff at it - The use came about from supply problems after the raids in 2009 and 2011. Sometime in 2011 it started on 2012 models in the Acoustic division, along with all the alternate woods and synthetic material in the electric divisions. Layering came to an end in the Acoustic division in the second half of 2012. I think it was used a bit longer in the electric divisions. And even though there are those who can't understand it, some don't like layering in fretboards and bridges - but it's certainly their prerogative, no explanation needed. . Slight edit there BK I think the first models sporting the 'Lacey Act' bridge and boards.came out in 2011..My HB TV 2011 has the controversial bridge..as do a few other member here with 2011 models. I would guess you are correct in when it ceased. I remember the big palaver it caused heer on the forum when it first came to light.. I and a few other had had our guitars for quite a while with out even noticing it. Then it was forgotten about..i must say there was some ridiculous statements flying around at the time..concerning folk saying they will never buy a new Gibson again... it's like a Walmart Asain knock off ... the end of the world ect ect then nothing... simply forgotten and people went back to asking what strings come on Gibson acoustics .... heheh It makes no odds to me what so ever... very ocassionaly i catch sight of my bridge in a certain light..notice it.s 2 piece..think about it for 5-10 seconds..then forget it. Good they got the matter sorted..as was obviously going to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat71 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yes!!!.... my J45TV will be collectible one day... hi hi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I remember the big palaver it caused heer on the forum when it first came to light.. I and a few other had had our guitars for quite a while with out even noticing it. Then it was forgotten about..i must say there was some ridiculous statements flying around at the time..concerning folk saying they will never buy a new Gibson again... it's like a Walmart Asain knock off ... the end of the world ect ect . If a laminate bridge can cause this much gnashing of teeth I cannot even imagine what would have been being said in 1944 when Banner J-45s with tops pieces together with scraps started showing up. I can't really be critical though - I get bent out of shape when Gibson refuses to call a natural top J-45 a J-50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 ... I think the first models sporting the 'Lacey Act' bridge and boards.came out in 2011..My HB TV 2011 has the controversial bridge..as do a few other member here with 2011 models. .... Thanks Del. I couldn't remember if they showed up on some 2011 models. And yes, there were some looong and crazy threads. . B) Sometime after the subject arrived on the forums I remember Gibson finally responding to the "controversy" (which swirled around the use of layered rosewood, granadillo, baked maple, north american rosewood and richlite) with this FAQ - http://www2.gibson.com/Support/FAQ-Tonewoods.aspx . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffchris Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I take it, it's just the rosewood boards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 . Rosewood fretboards and bridges - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guth Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Sorry guys, but that's totally cheesy. I could understand something like this if Gibson was trying to bring these guitars to market for around a grand, but obviously that's not the case. In addition, they should not be allowed to advertise such guitars as "all solid woods". A laminate is a laminate, regardless of what parts of the guitar it appears in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I couldn't care less whether or not my 2012 ES-330 VOS has a laminated fretboard. The build quality & tone are superb, effectively ending my vintage 330 lust. If there's ever a reason to take the nut off, will let you all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffchris Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yeah, I remember a similar thread last year. Am I right in thinking the only people with an issues are the ones who haven't got one? Cause all the people that have, have said they are fine? It seems that people go and try a few guitars the best one home(not me), so it really shouldn't mater. Oh I was asking about the rosewood, cause I wondered if it was other types of wood, maple, ebony, hog etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 No, I'm on the fence as I can understand the criticism when factoring in price/prestige etc... However I do own 2 models with the laminate bridges a 2011 and a 2012. And am hugely fond of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I am going to risk being obnoxious here but ask what is all the ruckus about. I cannot see where this would have one smidgeon of impact on sound or feel. No different than when Leo Fender went to thin slab boards and a different finish on his guitars. While folks at the time grumbled about Leo being a cheapskate (which he was) today those guitars are highly sought after and sell for a pretty penny. Maybe not with the fingerboard but maybe the bridge. Id rather have a single piece with pores going in one continuous direction than opposite grained pieces with a layer of glue at the sound source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guth Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I am going to risk being obnoxious here but ask what is all the ruckus about. I cannot see where this would have one smidgeon of impact on sound or feel. Like I said in my earlier statement. I simply prefer an all solid wood guitar, especially for the prices Gibson charges. I honestly expect, make that demand, all solid woods for that much money. If others are okay spending that kind of money on laminates, more power to them. In the end, it's the money spent, or not spent, that does the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Like I said in my earlier statement. I simply prefer an all solid wood guitar, especially for the prices Gibson charges. I honestly expect, make that demand, all solid woods for that much money. If others are okay spending that kind of money on laminates, more power to them. In the end, it's the money spent, or not spent, that does the talking. My 2011 HB TV has a Lam bridge. I did not notice this when I first bought it, I did however notice the sound.....and that is why I bought it!! After discovering a few weeks later that it had a lam bridge, 3 ply's btw :o , I have to admit I was a little disappointed and felt somewhat bummed when seeing other Gibsons of the same vintage with solid bridges. But then, all I have to do is strike a chord or 2 on this beauty and all in the world is good. The sound of the guitar as a whole is what I fell in love with. Cheers bobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 They may have stopped MAKING them, but they are just arriving in Australia - 2 J45s next to each other. BluesKing777. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guth Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 The sound of the guitar as a whole is what I fell in love with. In spite of my soapbox stand on Gibson's use of laminates, there is no better reason for buying a guitar in my opinion. I can certainly respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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