olie Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I was mildly surprised to observe that the most mentioned brand re. disappointment was Martin. For all the grief Gibson gets over there it was nice to see that maybe Martin's reputation is somewhat hyperinflated. I'm not trying to trash the brand but balance out the rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Because of the hype historically surrounding Martin, I imagine lots of folks pick them up & expect to hear the sound of angels singing. They do make some great guitars, but they also make a lot of rather pedestrian sounding instruments, just like all the other manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 That was a surprise to me, guess too many Taylor fans out there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brucebubs Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Dumb thread - I asked the AGF moderators to remove the word 'crap' from the opening post ... and they did. It just becomes an exercise in 'brand bashing' and there's nothing worse than owning and loving a guitar and seeing someone else call it crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I could give a flying fig about what others think of my guitars. Just flash them to peace sign and advise them to stop drinking too deeply of the Tone Wood Kool Aid. It ain't about the lumber you are holding in your hands It is about making music. And the day that I do not have as much of a blast and get as much enjoyment from playing my Harmony Stella as I do one of my Gibsons is the day I will hang it up. Because I will have forgotten what it is all about. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 43 minutes ago, zombywoof said: I could give a flying fig about what others think of my guitars. Same. I will state I have spent more time with two of my three Martins lately, but I like to rotate guitars and I try very hard to not rave about the current squeeze. It's all about which one strikes me at the moment. Next week/month I might shudder at anything Nazareth and choose something else for a while. And I see no gain in bashing someone's else's weapon of choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, zombywoof said: It ain't about the lumber you are holding in your hands It is about making music. . Well said! QM aka “ Jazzman” Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, ksdaddy said: It's all about which one strikes me at the moment. Next week/month I might shudder at anything Nazareth and choose something else for a while. And I see no gain in bashing someone's else's weapon of choice. Also, well said! QM aka “ Jazzman” Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) I would guess part of the AGF negativity comes from high expectations based on the name - not factoring in the fact you are paying $500 and not $5,000 and it's made in Mexico, not Nazareth. And, how often a person uses the word 'crap' in his product reviews is probably a function of how long he's been cooped up with no one to talk to except people on Social Media! I'm appreciative of Gibson's approach of maintaining their brand 'quality' and letting Epiphones be their entry level/student/starter guitars. But, that's all marketing - brand definition, etc. Obviously - the lumber you hold in your hands... Love the one you're with? Ginger VS Mary Ann ? Edited November 29, 2020 by fortyearspickn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhanners623 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/27/2020 at 12:39 AM, zombywoof said: I could give a flying fig about what others think of my guitars. Just flash them to peace sign and advise them to stop drinking too deeply of the Tone Wood Kool Aid. It ain't about the lumber you are holding in your hands It is about making music. And the day that I do not have as much of a blast and get as much enjoyment from playing my Harmony Stella as I do one of my Gibsons is the day I will hang it up. Because I will have forgotten what it is all about. ^ This, times 100. Like most of you, I've played good Martins, great Martins and Martins that, in the words of Steve Earle, "still thinks it's a tree." Same with Gibsons. The ones I have owned of both brands were great guitars, for me. They inspired me. I'd read good reviews on the Farida OT-22 before I bought mine in the summer of 2019. I figured it would be a good, dependable guitar to take overseas and if something happened to it, I was out a $423 investment -- not a huge amount of money as guitars go. I wasn't prepared for how much I would like the guitar, though, and how it fits my style and has inspired me. So, yeah, just play the darned thing. As long as the guitar is set up properly and physically stable, the music will figure itself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) All my six CFM's are POS. I'm selling 'em tomorrow. D-35 not in the pic. Just look at that total waste of good wood on those things. What were they thinking? That is funny, Martin is the most disappointing brand on the AGF and probably also here too. Wonder what the UMGF says about them. No self respecting musician plays those trashy over blingy guitars. All this thread was started for, was to start arguments. Edited November 28, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: All this thread was started for, was to start arguments. No it wasn't. (SARCASM ) Edited November 29, 2020 by fortyearspickn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) So why post it then? I get doses of Martin bashing in lots of post, but a whole thread about them being "The most disappointing guitar" according to another forum is not wanting to start arguments. Guess I'm just naïve. Edited November 28, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olie Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 The reason why I brought up this AGF topic was as a reaction to the many more times Gibson gets kicked for "QC" or lack thereof, and that people seem to place Martin on another level. In spite of that it turns out (on this thread ,at least) that Martin received many more negative reviews than virtually any other maker. I found this curious considering the accolades Martin usually receives and the opposite opinions that come Gibson's way. I wasn't trying to talk smack, just even out the playing field a bit re. public perceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Both manufacturers make extremely well made production model guitars. Neither is without its flaws, and to fancy it up I'm gonna use a French word for whatever draws you to your love of a specific maker, Je ne sasi quoi, and neither is without its fan boys. Taylor does too. Edited November 28, 2020 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Im only on this forum and the cafe. Thats good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 hours ago, dhanners623 said: I'd read good reviews on the Farida OT-22 before I bought mine in the summer of 2019. I figured it would be a good, dependable guitar to take overseas and if something happened to it, I was out a $423 investment -- not a huge amount of money as guitars go. I wasn't prepared for how much I would like the guitar, though, and how it fits my style and has inspired me. Toby Walker recently posted a video review of the Farida OT-22. He certainly gave it a thumbs up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 The recent thread I thought was totally clueless was the one which equated "expensive" with "good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 5:39 PM, zombywoof said: I could give a flying fig about what others think of my guitars. Just flash them to peace sign and advise them to stop drinking too deeply of the Tone Wood Kool Aid. It ain't about the lumber you are holding in your hands It is about making music. And the day that I do not have as much of a blast and get as much enjoyment from playing my Harmony Stella as I do one of my Gibsons is the day I will hang it up. Because I will have forgotten what it is all about. Wow -- that is a lot. I think a flying fig would be worth a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Oh my -- so half my guitars are trash. How stupid of me not to be disappointed with their high quality construction standards, ethereal tone, and incredible historic impact. I guess I'll have to play these. Or worse these. Let's pick, -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, tpbiii said: Oh my -- so half my guitars are trash. How stupid of me not to be disappointed with their high quality construction standards, ethereal tone, and incredible historic impact. I guess I'll have to play these. Or worse these. Let's pick, -Tom I'll take those disappointing guitars off your hands any day of the week, no problem. If you have all of those right now in your collection, I'm gonna declare right behind Vince Gill, you win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 3 hours ago, tpbiii said: Oh my -- so half my guitars are trash. tpbiii - thinking of it. Can it be true you for some reason never were into J-200s !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I sincerely don’t think that I visit The AGF more than once or twice a year. Maybe not even that. I’m likely mistaken, but I thought The AGF was originally the Taylor forum. Taylors were the anointed brand for many years on that forum.. Don’t really know if it still is. Personally, I like Martins. Always have. I just happen to like Gibsons more. I have nothing against Taylor’s. They are very nice guitars and high quality. They’re just not “me.”........You play what you like and can afford. Like with many others in here, guitars are a very personal thing and for me to buy and keep a guitar I have to feel it’s an extension of who I am. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 13 hours ago, E-minor7 said: tpbiii - thinking of it. Can it be true you for some reason never were into J-200s !? I don't see one, so maybe not. Why does everyone have to like em? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raul Rehlmann Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: I don't see one, so maybe not. Why does everyone have to like em? Lighten up, François. It is possible to read the forum for information and not for reason to be defensive. This case is one where a person interested in guitar tone of any maker asks one other person who says he is a collector of sounds why no J200 guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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