Gibson29 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 So the J-45 ML is basically my CS Historic J-45, but beat up some and 1500 more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars68 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) I'm a fan of everything except the price. My 1942 J-45 cost less (purchase price + minor repairs + shipping/customs/sales tax). However, I still think they will sell. Lars Edited September 6, 2023 by Lars68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Murph said: Molly is so cool. Yes she is - and a clever woman too. I noticed she kind of under-played the Hummingbird, , , perhaps too thin for her. This 200 sounds stellar - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 And here the whole bouquet - with the former crypto comedians in full bloom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Gibson29 said: So the J-45 ML is basically my CS Historic J-45, but beat up some and 1500 more? Looks like they took most of the CS Historic collection that has the thermal treated tops so yours is probably the same. I would think it is nothing more than cosmetic. The SJ '42 is $5299 and the ML is $6799 so your $1500 is right on. Probably same $ to get the thermal treatment. These are probably still in-line or less than the boutique builders offering Gibson copies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Dave F said: These are probably still in-line or less than the boutique builders offering Gibson copies. Good point. With far better resale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 It's important, I think, for a company in this type of business, to offer modified products that signal superior quality capabilities. Not just improve bottom line by selling a few hundred more items at a higher margin, but interest potential buyers of your most popular models in the standards versions, having planted the seed that they are closely related to the upgraded ones. Sort of like "Hey, if we paint a couple of these J45s Pelham Blue instead of sunburst - we'll sell a couple more." Neither marketing ploy causes the J45 I bought 6 years ago to sound worse, look different or be worth less if I want to sell it. And, the difference in tone between the models (J45, H'Bird, SJ200, et al) offers a sonic choice whether MLs or just in the Standard product line. Why not just make only ONE MODEL of guitar? Is the J45 the most popular? In sunburst, with mahogany? Mass produce them. Don't make H'birds or SJ200s - they're too expensive. One size fits all. More power to the folks who can and will buy the MurphyL ab guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, fortyearspickn said: More power to the folks who can and will buy the Murphy Lab guitars. The two specs listed are the only difference I see out of all the specs. So are these basically the same guitar. One got a different finish and one has a single ply fretboard binding, and was touched by the maestro's ice pick. So there is this: https://www.gibson.com/en-US/Acoustic-Guitar/1960-Hummingbird-Heritage-Cherry-Sunburst-Light-Aged/Heritage-Cherry-Sunburst-Light-Aged Binding - Multi-ply Top, Multi-ply Back, Single-ply Fretboard Body Finish - Murphy Lab Aged Nitrocellulose Lacquer And then this: https://www.gibson.com/en-US/Acoustic-Guitar/ACCA45535/Heritage-Cherry-Sunburst Binding - Multi-ply Top, Multi-ply Back Body Finish -Thin Finish Nitrocellulose, VOS Edited September 8, 2023 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) Someone bought the tux 33 L-00 Murph lab! Anyone here? Wonder how many they will make - just that ONE at Music Villa? Hey Murph from forum, I am going to call these Gibbos the Murphs!😁 Sold: https://musicvilla.com/collections/gibson-acoustics/products/gibson-1933-l-00-light-aged-ebony Saw this newvideo from Casino Guitars - they don't have any the Murphs yet, bit of a cackle though: BluesKing777. Edited September 8, 2023 by BluesKing777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 11 hours ago, BluesKing777 said: Hey Murph from forum, I am going to call these Gibbos the Murphs!😁 Saw this new video from Casino Guitars - they don't have any the Murphs yet, No problem. Just keep those royalty checks coming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 58 minutes ago, Murph said: No problem. Just keep those royalty checks coming... But...do you have your own lab, Murph? Sorry. In the video from Casino Guitars, they mentioned that it is really hard to do the relic stuff without breaking something.....what happens if it looks a bit ordinary - will the guitar get a bit more paint and do it all again? I mean, they don’t want it to look awful, even though a lot of old guitars can look pretty weird..... OK and all good for 20 orders, but if they get 20, 000 plus? ((the guys in the vid mentioned a lack of available ‘aged’ Martins that are spoken for before they even arrive). BluesKing777. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) Head Of The Relic-ing Department This is the best line ever: In the video from Casino Guitars, they mentioned that it is really hard to do the relic stuff without breaking something. Edited September 8, 2023 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 21 hours ago, BluesKing777 said: But...do you have your own lab, Murph? Yes. Yes, I do. Mine just takes more time. Here's some of my work on a 2003 J-45.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoidealmusic Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Send a brand spanking new one to me. As hard as I strum I'll have it looking like that in a year, free of charge! 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hype Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Wouldn’t mind a ML J-200. But to be honest, my 2009 J-200 Standard has a way better flamed back than these ones…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 12:38 PM, Murph said: Yes. Yes, I do. Mine just takes more time. Here's some of my work on a 2003 J-45.... In all seriousness - was this the slow-mo work of your thumb or the result of some well-measured surgical sanding ? My guess falls on the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) I find it incredibly ironic that the only model sold of the Murphy Lab Gibson Acoustic offerings at Music Villa is the...ha ha, the one they didn't do last time around with the Historic Series - the L-00!!! I want one! I see they are selling one at Sweetwater: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/L0033LA--gibson-acoustic-1933-l-00-murphy-lab-light-aged-acoustic-guitar-cherry-sunburst BluesKing777. Edited September 21, 2023 by BluesKing777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tim Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) I don’t blame Gibson for following in Martin’s footsteps on these relic guitars, but their pricing doesn’t compete. A prewar martin D28 is over $100k, and a D-18 in good shape isn’t a lot less than that. So the aged Martins are 10% of the originals. $6500 for a Murphy J-45? There’s a KILLER all original 40s J45 on the AGF want ad right now for less than $2000 more than that. Vintage Gibsons should cost more, but they just don’t. The pricing on these makes no sense when you can have the real deal for not much more. The thing about Martin’s aged Authentics is that the finish is thinner, and they SOUND BETTER. Jury is out on whether these sound any different than the Historic version. Thirdly, the aging/relicking on these is pretty subtle. Seems to me, people who like these for the visual aesthetic are going to want it to look worn, not just a few little scuffs. Gut tells me this is a lot of money for minimal aging that may or may not affect tone, at a price that is not much less than the real deal vintage guitar. Hard pass. Edited September 21, 2023 by Tim Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Give it 20 years of ownership on a brand spanking new one. Play the heck out of it. Leave it resting on the couch. Knock it over a few times. And youll have one without paying a upcharge. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 5 hours ago, slimt said: Give it 20 years of ownership on a brand spanking new one. Play the heck out of it. Leave it resting on the couch. Knock it over a few times. And youll have one without paying a upcharge. 😁 More concerned how the ageing affects the tone.........Martin aged guitar players seem to think the checking opens up the sound and worth the premium. I don’t suppose anyone knows the bridge spacing of the L-00 Murph Lab? BluesKing777. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 hours ago, BluesKing777 said: .........Martin aged guitar players seem to think the checking opens up the sound and worth the premium. Of course they do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I haven't seen one of the Murph' guitars but from the pictures and videos, I don't see much visual difference between it and the '42 SJ Banner with the aged top that I have. When I got it, I thought it looked and sounded like a well-cared for guitar from the '50's. I have another Gibson L00 aged top, and I like it's sound too. I had a Martin CS-D41-15 with the aged top. It sounded old too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKing777 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Here is an interview with the culprit - Tom Murphy from Murphy Labs! Electrics only: BluesKing777. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/11/2023 at 9:14 AM, E-minor7 said: In all seriousness - was this the slow-mo work of your thumb or the result of some well-measured surgical sanding ? My guess falls on the latter. That's 20 years of playing it every day. Surgical sanding? Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scriv58 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 If ever I think I'm a bit too weird I just read this forum and feel ever so much better- thanks strangers for the lift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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