Andy R Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 The guitar with the best playability and tone. Just like now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy R Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 The guitar with the best playability and tone. Just like now. Hey ChanMan! How's it going? And exactly the answer I would expect from you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Just back in from Birmingham... again. Interesting happenings Thursday night there. Details when there is more substance, but I will say I've been asked to play the bar/lobby next trip down. Sorry for the de-rail, I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I would buy a Gibson made before any of those scenarios could have even been possible. If I have to interrogate the dealer or manufacturer as to where it was made and still not really believe them, then the plastic stays in my wallet. I think if someone in the Fender factory in California installs the strap buttons on a (made wherever) Strat they will put "Made in USA" on it. Life was a lot simpler when there was Kalamazoo, Nazareth, Fullerton.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 . I can think of a better word than "indecent" for that proposal. Gibson before any of the switches you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I'd probably just buy a Fender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 The problem here has to do with a decent quality and appropriate type of guitar that one can afford. The brand itself isn't as important, IMHO, as the neck. Gibson/EPI usually have necks that I like. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 i propose that if you take what you have written, substitute China with Japan, and substitute the Epiphone/Gibson for Squier/Fender, you have a very accurate description of a reality. Just move the American factory to include Mexico and add Indonesia for the Squier brand. Don't forget that to be truly international, you have to have the customer support from India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I would try, if at all possible, to support our American workers, first! So much of our goods, are made overseas, anymore, that I actually try to find "Made in USA," first. I have several Asian Epiphones, and they are all fine guitars. So, it's not that kind of issue, for me. I just prefer, again, whenever I can afford it, to "Shop American." Whatever that may mean, nowadays. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I would buy the Gibson because I don't like the looks of the Epi headstock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Why would they ever do something that dumb? If they did all this stuff they would be making lousy guitars and they would be a bunch of idiots. They probably would go out of business half way through that process. So I wouldn't be buying anything from them, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete c Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 i bet the used gibson market would take a huge jump in price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl00dsm0k3 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 what i can afford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duende Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 The guitar with the best playability and tone. Just like now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 First off the guitar has to be one I'm gassin' for. It has to have the feel that I'm looking for. (quality, weight, neck, etc) Doesn't matter where its made or what the the headstock says. We all have different reasons for the guitars we buy. My wife bought me my first Epi Casino because she knew my musical hero's (The Beatles) played them. I do try and buy American when possible but its a world market now and things are about to change drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I love my Gibbys AND Epis.......If the senerio is like you state, Epis...... I've been recording these days, my best Gibby has two broken tuners, so, until I fix this one Gibby ( I don't like my other Gibby LPs for recording), I'm using mostly Epis and Fenders......What this has to do with the tea in China is that an upgraded Epi CAN be better than many current Gibbys I try out in stores these days...................Hmmm.........So many flaws in them..... ( A quick hijack Andy, what tuning pegs are direct replacements for a 2010 LP Traditional Plus, if you know; Rather than upgrade a whole set, I'g rather buy a direct replacement set and replace the two broken ones.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy R Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 <_<<_<<_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy R Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 . ( A quick hijack Andy, what tuning pegs are direct replacements for a 2010 LP Traditional Plus, if you know; Rather than upgrade a whole set, I'g rather buy a direct replacement set and replace the two broken ones.) Damian, Sorry I don't know right off hand. If you have any smaller guitar shops in the area where you live you might be able to find a couple and not buy the whole set. Ebay too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SG FAN Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I've already got two US made Gibsons, I guess I would buy PRS or Fender. I pretty much got the Gibson humbucker sound pretty much covered anyway :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Ok here's the scenario I am proposing: Gibson starts building Gibson Brand guitars in the Chinese factory using same parts, wood, lacquer, etc... and building techniques as USA Gibson and charges current USA Gibson Prices. Epiphones Brand are built in USA factory using Epiphone woods, parts, bulding process etc... with current Epihone prices. Epihone factory workers swap factories with Gibson Factory uses all Gibson parts woods etc... but Guitars are branded Epiphone now with Gibson Pricing Gibson workers are in China Making Gibson brand stuff with Epiphone parts and process but with Epiphone pricing. What do you buy and why??? A Made in America Fender Custom Shop Guitar. There, that was simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy R Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 ](*,)](*,)I give up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingarmadillo Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I would buy a Gibson made before any of those scenarios could have even been possible. If I have to interrogate the dealer or manufacturer as to where it was made and still not really believe them, then the plastic stays in my wallet. I think if someone in the Fender factory in California installs the strap buttons on a (made wherever) Strat they will put "Made in USA" on it. Life was a lot simpler when there was Kalamazoo, Nazareth, Fullerton.... Nope - under that scenario the guitar would have to be labeled "Made in (wherever) - Assembled in the USA" There are very specific consumer protection laws about "Made in USA" labels that are fairly strictly enforced when you consider the small number of people assigned to the task. I try to stay away from Chinese guitars - my experience has not been good - except for one travel guitar the rest of mine are USA, Japan or Korea. So for the original post answer (and excluding Fenders) I go with the Epiphone option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Ahhh pure whimsical fantasy Andy. Would these guitars be free or would we have to pay for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duende Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 What if Gibson moved all of it's employees, parts, wood, techniques, machines etc... that are currently in, used and done in the US and the only new Gibson you could buy would be made in China would you still feel that a Gibson is still a Gibson and feel the same brand loyalty or not? I can appreciate and agree with buy US when you can etc... I Understand it would be a dumb business move, Going back in time is not an option, buying up all the US Giibson's is not and option either... etc.... It's just a simple what if and why???? If I was absolutely dead set on getting a Gibson (even five years ago or so that would have been more accurately me as a buyer)- and the situation happened above, then it would not bother me a tall, because the country it is made in, wouldn't affect it being a Gibson. The materials, employees and everything is the same right?, just that they are doing the same job in a different country? As long as I have understood that correctly, then I don't see how the product would be any lesser/superior than if the back drop to the factory was different scenery- ie a different country it was being made Andy, this is a good thought experiment, I think I can see where you are going with it, so I am going to bail out and listen to you good folk. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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