Rocky4 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Erased from sports history. Stripped of all wins. He's lost all his sponsorships, and an insurance company wants their 5.75 million back. All the Live Strong stuff is tarnished. How did he think he could get away with it? I realize cycling is one of the dirtiest sports, but to go on so defiant for so long is disturbing. Why can't athletes play on a level field? Do they enjoy their wins as much knowing they had an unfair advantage? I guess it's all about the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I've been wondering when people would want their money back. I should imagine he could (should) lose everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampash Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 His ego was so huge he didn't even contemplate what has transpired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versatile Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 IMO there is much 'dirty linen' in some other sports too...  As competitors push the boundaries of human strength/endurance  The temptation is to use drugs for that extra edge...  This particular case appears to be completely over the top though  With open coercion of other team members  Showing the fantasy, false world at the 'top' of certain sports  Once the big media money and sponsorships wade in...the pressure to win becomes critical and ruthless  In the same league as 'throwing a match or game'...to collect on a big bet against a favourite...  V  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 His dope was better than everyone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Â rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daryl M Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Once again, we see that the unforgivable sin in sports is having the audacity to deny an accusation. I think about the steroids issue in baseball. Lots of guys were implicated and some were smart enough to admit to it early on. Andy Petitte and Jason Giambi both admitted to using and it was quickly forgotten. Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, and other high profile players denied it and they became the face of the issue. I believe Pete Rose would be in the Hall of Fame today if he'd come clean about his gambling early on instead of lying about it. The buying public can forgive a cheater, but apparently despises a liar. Lance Armstrong is just another in a list of athletes who thought he could outlast his critics but lost. In sports, the combination of cheating and arrogance is the most lethal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS1976 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Thanks for the topic. Â It is mondo sad. Even a bigger bummer because you didn't have to be a bike snob to really appreciate what Lance helped do. He's helped tons of people. He inspired everybody. Â He's a hometown hero here. Â yeah, this is lame. I just hope the folks who depend on the LiveStrong Cancer Foundation charities don't get the shaft over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Yup. If true then it's a great blow for cycling especially. Â There was an interview with one Tour rider who stated that to give a recent T-d-France 'Win' to the first definitely clean rider after Armstrong and the rest were disqualified it'd be someone who finished back in fifth or sixth place. Â ...an insurance company wants their 5.75 million back... They should have taken out a policy against fraud. Â P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 So what was the smoking gun? What was the actual proof(s) that he did infact cheat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Once again, we see that the unforgivable sin in sports is having the audacity to deny an accusation. I think about the steroids issue in baseball. Lots of guys were implicated and some were smart enough to admit to it early on. Andy Petitte and Jason Giambi both admitted to using and it was quickly forgotten. Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, and other high profile players denied it and they became the face of the issue. I believe Pete Rose would be in the Hall of Fame today if he'd come clean about his gambling early on instead of lying about it. The buying public can forgive a cheater, but apparently despises a liar. Lance Armstrong is just another in a list of athletes who thought he could outlast his critics but lost. In sports, the combination of cheating and arrogance is the most lethal one. In the nutshell. Liars are the lowest scums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVOL! Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 But didn't this all come down after Armstrong decided to stop fighting the allegations? My understanding is that allegations from the anti doping agency are almost impossible to fight. Â Whether he is guilty or not, I don't really care, but is there any weight to the fact that he never tested positive? How easy is it to fool the tests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky4 Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 So what was the smoking gun? What was the actual proof(s) that he did infact cheat? Â I think it was mostly his former team mates ratting him out. Tyler Hamilton, a former team mate and disgraced cyclist, wrote a hole book about drugs in cycling, and named Armstrong one of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS1976 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Tz9n_02LU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The sad part is that if they try to name a replacement winner fro Armstrong they have to go back 3 or 4 places because all of the first 3 places have been busted for doping too. Â All and all, the tour is a farce. Â Like somebody already said, Lance's dope was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californiaman Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 He's inocent. He's been charged with no crimes. No court of law proved him guilty. Just because some "government agency" declares your accomplishments null and void, doesn't meen you're guilty. It's too bad about his sponsorships canning him and the resulting fall out from the aleged allegations. He needed to resign from Live Strong. I get it. He's done a lot for cancer survivors and cancer research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 "Cycling's governing body agreed Monday to stripping Armstrong of his Tour de France titles, following a report from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that accused him of leading a massive doping program on his teams.  UCI President Pat McQuaid announced that the federation accepted the USADA's report on Armstrong and would not appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport." -CBS News Report  Apparently, Armstrong's doping was pretty common knowledge, just as it is common knowledge that doping has been rampant in the sport. It is tough on fans to find out that favorite athletes are cheaters. The bigger disappointment is that Lance feels he must distance himself from the charities he has been so instrumental in helping to create and support.  USADA's report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShredAstaire Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Ah sports! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo68 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 He's ok with me. Raised over 500 MILLION for cancer !!! ALL of the pro cyclists have been doing this for 20 yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 All this is very difficult, sophisticated and also plagued with hypocrisy. It is all about winning and how to win. There is no such thing as sportsmanship anymore. Many governing sports officials and organization set to make the sport "fair" so to speak, to have a fair/even playing field. When substances or performance enhancing drugs are suggested or mentioned, it is scrutinized as it gives and unfair advantage........well, what about performance enhancing equipments? Why are they allowed more acceptably as these equipments can also give an unfair advantage? For example, the light weight carbon/titanium tennis rackets that are so stiff and rigid allowing the tennis player to hit harder and have better precision? This goes also with light weight bicycles. I think now it comes down to the point, perhaps allowing performance enhancing drugs to be used by athletes would allow the playing field to be even, because the option is there, as with performance enhancing equipments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincentw Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 He's ok with me. Raised over 500 MILLION for cancer !!! ALL of the pro cyclists have been doing this for 20 yrs. Â Me too. Let's all just get fat, drink cherry cola, and watch tv for the rest of our lives. The Carlin piece was funny though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojorule Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I think it was mostly his former team mates ratting him out. Tyler Hamilton, a former team mate and disgraced cyclist, wrote a hole book about drugs in cycling, and named Armstrong one of the worst. Â Yes, but Hamilton tested positive, while Armstrong never did. Were they on different drugs, then? Perhaps by the time Hamilton tested positive. At that point in the argument it becomes hard to separate speculation from fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 No!!!!!!11!! Meh! He raised lots of $ for cancer. He's getting sh*t because he's THE cyclist, surely not the only pro-sportster to cheat. Here we are, shaming him for cheating though he raised cancer awareness. Â Why not shame our politicos for blatantly BS-ing constituents? Wait, the powers governing our leaders own the media. No shaming will befal our leaders. We may be branded terrorists if we try. Â Lets shame crooked cops! Wait, that wouldn't sell magazines. Not juicy enough. Â Back to famous people shaming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Hayden Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 His dope was better than everyone else's. Â Â He was pedaling drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff-7 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 BG, it's not only about having a level playing field but the health of the athletes, whether personal health or in the case of contact sports the health of your opponents. Can we go ahead and strip those home run titles now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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