heymisterk Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The question is basic: Can you tell the difference just by playing and listening? I see the Custom Shop models tout the long neck tenon, which leads me to believe your non-custom LPs and SGs are NOT so well-endowed... Strangely, I notice that the Orville and Elitist models made in Japan tout the long neck tenon. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 For us snobs and elitist pr!cks it's a must have. For the rest of the bottom feeders I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymisterk Posted January 21, 2013 Author Share Posted January 21, 2013 For us snobs and elitist pr!cks it's a must have. For the rest of the bottom feeders I don't know. Fair enough. I honestly don't think I have ever played one with a long neck tenon. I know my '05 LP Standard didn't have one, nor did my '95 SG Standard. Being that my SG Classic is so reasonably priced, I doubt it has the long tenon...yet I can never imagine a guitar sounding as good my Classic, so I like it here, feeding on the bottom! [rolleyes] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 It is not just the length of the tenon but also the size of it and the area of contact between neck and body. Not all Gibson models have short versus long tenon, but for instance on SGs there is the joint in the current standards or like you SG Classic and the 61 reissue that many claim it is not as strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 For us snobs and elitist pr!cks it's a must have. For the rest of the bottom feeders I don't know. Just keep your long tenons all covered up. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twang Gang Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Not a luthier or techno expert - but believe the long tenon is more about strength of the joint where neck meets body - and less about tone or sustain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namvet Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 It's not size but how you use it From a "below the bottom feeder" Just kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Doesn't matter at all, it's all hype and that's the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 Doesn't matter at all, it's all hype and that's the truth... The only part I disagree with is the overly polite use of the word "hype". It's all crap, and if that's what it takes to sell someone a guitar, they deserve whatever they get. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyBillyBob1 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 It seems like common sense that a longer tenon makes the joint stronger and improves contact between neck and body. Tone is always subjective just like the difference in tone between a bolt on and a set neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveinspain Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 It seems like common sense that a longer tenon makes the joint stronger and improves contact between neck and body. Tone is always subjective just like the difference in tone between a bolt on and a set neck. Just think about this, the neck of a guitar gets glued or bolted onto the body and at that point contact between the neck and body is secured. The two pieces are making contact and will transmit vibrations from one part to another. Both the long and short tenon have a good chunk of wood going into the body but just the fact that the neck is set into the body gives you all the contact you need. A set neck may be more structurally sound but I don't think it receives more vibrations than a bolt on neck. Those 4 bolts tightened down make a damn good connection too. I don't think a long or short tenon will effects tone or sustain. Do Fender Stratocaster have good tone and sustain? Jimi may have said yes... IMHO a set neck is cosmetically better looking than a bolt on but since you can't see inside the guitar I don't think there is anyone who can tell just buy playing or listening to a guitar if it has a long or short tenon If any luthier types or Gibson guys have any other light to shed on the subject I'd like to hear it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 To me it's more about strength than tone. I can do a billion things to change the tone, but glued necks do fall apart from time to time. Think about the early SG's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyBillyBob1 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 .........I don't think there is anyone who can tell just buy playing or listening to a guitar if it has a long or short tenon I agree 110% but all other things being equal I would rather have the long tenon if only for it's greater strenghth and stability. Not a big deal but just a small improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Tenon or no, head stocks will still snap when gravity does it's magic, and that thing hits the floor. I'm with RCT -- all crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 It only does matter if You play cricket with Your LP. Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyBillyBob1 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Tenon or no, head stocks will still snap when gravity does it's magic, and that thing hits the floor. I'm with RCT -- all crap. I do not get your point since the tenon is where the neck meets the body and the headstock has nothing to do with it. Sort of like not knowing the difference between an *** and an elbow. If you think the details of guitar construction is all crap than I suppose being a luthier is not in your future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I do not get your point since the tenon is where the neck meets the body and the headstock has nothing to do with it. Sort of like not knowing the difference between an *** and an elbow. If you think the details of guitar construction is all crap than I suppose being a luthier is not in your future. It isn't about being a luthier or knowing the details of guitar construction. It is about using such bullshit as long or short tenon as Sales Tool, especially for people that really don't know anything about guitars. Never took back a record, never had a record sent back to me, never fired, never had anyone ever walk off a job because the wrong neck tenon was being used. If your experience is different, I'm fine with that. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Plains Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Don't know if long tenon makes any difference but it's the placebo effect for me. I'm just glad knowing it's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qblue Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I don't think Gibson cares about the differences b/t the long tenon vs. the short tenon. It is a way of setting the neck at the region where the body and neck join. The longer tenon might have more surface and thereby create more sustain and less sustain with a short tenon. It seems the Custom Les Paul may have the long tenon and other ones with non weight relieved bodies. But it isn't always so. The historic reissues also may have the long tenon. I think the proliferation of weight relived bodies in most Les Pauls are proof that Gibson doesn't think this is an important issue. My opinion is that it really doesn't make a difference. So I'll play my LP and ES-347 without cork sniffing attitude and have fun playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 forget all about long and short tenons. Bence is right. If you cant play cricket with it then its too damned weak. Sell those flimsy LPs and kit up with Explorers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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