rct Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I love the new green color. The little les Paul and SG are slick!! 😍 As for melody makers, I'd put my 64 DC up against every telecaster ever made in terms of sound and playability and comfort and quality. The old melody makers were fine I guess, I sure gigged with quite a few guys that made great use of them, I used them and had no complaints other than being a little light and not feeling like much of a guitar at all. I mean that stuff they had out, 5, 6 years ago maybe? Melody Maker Explorers and Melody Maker this and that. They were crap. First time I hustled into Philly Summer to see them I went to a favorite dealer guy from down south, and he had what I expected, a booth full of them. Every one was surprisingly bad, even for 5 or 600 bucks. The MM Explorer laying on it's back was not as tall as a packa smokes, and the area was what? 25% smaller or something like that? Gert bigass neck glued to it, like a shovel. Horrible wood with dull white house paint smeared on with a brush. Awful. The MM SG thing might as well have been a Steinberger there was so little effort put into the body of that thing, it barely held the pickups. He had three MM LPs that were all equally dreadful, just maybe not as bad as the other two. He was enthusiastic of course, I expected that, and yes the booth was loaded with young fellas anxious to buy something that said Gibson on the pointy end, not realizing they could just buy the headstock and have the same thing. Two years later he still had most of them and was fire saleing them just to get rid of 'em. He also had an in-store thing where he was selling one at super discount and throwing in another one for half that discount price. When yer retailers are doing that, something ain't right. Our local guy at the time got halfa dozen or 10 of them in his truckload and only hung them for a short time. Took them off the wall and used them in the lessons rooms, he'd sell them to the lessons kids for cheap, kid gets a "Gibson" and parents are happy. Looks like we are back for another round, which is fine. I do think the lesson has been learned in the past. The bottom end can not in any way support your bread and butter when your bread and butter is 2k and up guitars, today probably 2.5k is more like it. Mars Music was not that long ago, they should remember how that went for them. More guitar players walked out of our Mars because there wasn't a decent gigging guitar in the store than went in for an on-sale 199 dollar Squire or Epiphone. The Green Classic is a beaut, I will have to look at those in person. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karloff Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I want a Rabswood Double-cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 I want a Rabswood Double-cut. Well im about to make one from this :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pesh Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 About. Damn. Time. I want the green Classic T or the green Custom Studio S...GREEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Huh.. Was just looking at some of the details and they now specify an average weight of the body... If anyone is interested :) LP Trad Weight Relief: None Average Weight (body only): 6 lbs LP Classic Weight Relief: 9 Hole Average Weight (body only): 5 lbs. 14.4 oz LP Standard HP Weight Relief: Ultra-Modern Average Weight (body only): 4lbs. 6.7oz LP Studio Weight Relief: Ultra-Modern Average Weight (body only): 4lbs. 6.7oz LP Faded Weight Relief: Ultra Modern Average Weight (body only): 4lbs. 6.7oz LP Tribute Weight Relief: 9 hole Average Weight (body only): 5 lbs. 14 oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Huh.. Was just looking at some of the details and they now specify an average weight of the body... LP Trad Weight Relief: None Average Weight (body only): 6 lbs LP Classic Weight Relief: 9 Hole Average Weight (body only): 5 lbs. 14.4 oz LP Standard HP Weight Relief: Ultra-Modern Average Weight (body only): 4lbs. 6.7oz LP Studio Weight Relief: Ultra-Modern Average Weight (body only): 4lbs. 6.7oz LP Faded Weight Relief: Ultra Modern Average Weight (body only): 4lbs. 6.7oz LP Tribute Weight Relief: 9 hole Average Weight (body only): 5 lbs. 14 oz I'll bet you One American Greenback to your British Pounds Quid Stirling Fiver that a year from now eBay and Reverb will be chock full of "UNDER 6 POUNDS!!!!" Les Pauls and we'll be answering Average Weight questions all day. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPguitarman Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 About. Damn. Time. I want the green Classic T or the green Custom Studio S...GREEN! Yup, that Green Classic is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 LP Trad Weight Relief: None Average Weight (body only): 6 lbs LP Classic Weight Relief: 9 Hole Average Weight (body only): 5 lbs. 14.4 oz LP Tribute Weight Relief: 9 hole Average Weight (body only): 5 lbs. 14 oz From this we can calculate that, nowadays, the 9-hole weight-relief practice saves, on average, a grand total of roughly 2oz per body-blank. Erm...OK.... Erm...that makes perfect sense...... Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 That looks like it came right off of the back of The Cars - Panorama album. How many people bought that. I got one copy from the cut out bin. The Cars made more than two albums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Unfortunately. The only two you need are the first two. Whew.... I'm good then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-RAM Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Made it through every page without even a hint of GAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Me, too. I'm sure these are fine guitars but my next purchase will be an older model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StRanger7032 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I embrace the low price tag, believe me. I'm well aware of what makes a guitar, so cheaper materials don't bother me. It's putting them together. No grain filler, so no finish to even speak of. Most of the cheap-o guitars have paint you wouldn't even want on yer coffee table or backyard deck railings. Mismatching of proportions, like they took a bunch of raw SG neck blanks and glued them into bodies that are just not substantial enough to pair well with the neck, too thin or too small area-wise, or both. There are scwheet sub 700 dollar guitars out there, and I enjoy them just as much as the expensive ones. They just aren't made by Gibson, and every time I enthusiastically go into the guitar show to try out these new budget friendly Gibsons I am greatly disappointed. It's like somebody else made them. rct Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't mean to offend anyone who has a good affordable Gibson, but I have not been impressed with their lower end. I bought a LP 60s Tribute for Christmas and it was awful. The back and sides might as well have been unfinished, and the fret ends were razor sharp (every one). It was on par with a $199 Epiphone in terms of build quality. All the higher-end Gibsons I've owned have been superb. I think they need to let Epiphone have the low-mid end and reserve the Gibson logo for the ones that meet higher standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 The old melody makers were fine I guess, I sure gigged with quite a few guys that made great use of them, I used them and had no complaints other than being a little light and not feeling like much of a guitar at all. I mean that stuff they had out, 5, 6 years ago maybe? Melody Maker Explorers and Melody Maker this and that. They were crap. First time I hustled into Philly Summer to see them I went to a favorite dealer guy from down south, and he had what I expected, a booth full of them. Every one was surprisingly bad, even for 5 or 600 bucks. The MM Explorer laying on it's back was not as tall as a packa smokes, and the area was what? 25% smaller or something like that? Gert bigass neck glued to it, like a shovel. Horrible wood with dull white house paint smeared on with a brush. Awful. The MM SG thing might as well have been a Steinberger there was so little effort put into the body of that thing, it barely held the pickups. He had three MM LPs that were all equally dreadful, just maybe not as bad as the other two. He was enthusiastic of course, I expected that, and yes the booth was loaded with young fellas anxious to buy something that said Gibson on the pointy end, not realizing they could just buy the headstock and have the same thing. Two years later he still had most of them and was fire saleing them just to get rid of 'em. He also had an in-store thing where he was selling one at super discount and throwing in another one for half that discount price. When yer retailers are doing that, something ain't right. Our local guy at the time got halfa dozen or 10 of them in his truckload and only hung them for a short time. Took them off the wall and used them in the lessons rooms, he'd sell them to the lessons kids for cheap, kid gets a "Gibson" and parents are happy. Looks like we are back for another round, which is fine. I do think the lesson has been learned in the past. The bottom end can not in any way support your bread and butter when your bread and butter is 2k and up guitars, today probably 2.5k is more like it. Mars Music was not that long ago, they should remember how that went for them. More guitar players walked out of our Mars because there wasn't a decent gigging guitar in the store than went in for an on-sale 199 dollar Squire or Epiphone. The Green Classic is a beaut, I will have to look at those in person. rct Oh I couldn't disagree more. The year was 2011 and the price was $299. I ended up with two of them and they are fine guitars. The finishes are standard satin finishes. Nothing paint brushy about them. I like the white the best. There's nothing sub par about the woods. The body and finger board are maple and the neck is mahogany. The necks are no wider than the one on my 2010 Les Paul. The SG in particular is a pretty faithful reproduction of the 67 MM with the exception of the electronics. If I have a complaint it's the humbuckers. These were designed for rock kids so I get why they did it but I want little single coils in my melody makers. I have always been a bit of a bottum feeder with a taste for the oddballs so I guess none of this is too shocking. Of the dozen or so Gibsons I have owned lately there has only been one time that I have paid more than $1000 for one. Most of them like my 2008 SG special and my 2010 Paw Power Les Paul have cost less than $600. With their satin finishes and low price point they have turned out the be the ones I reach for far more often than the shinny, fancy ones. The fact that Gibson successfully and regularly makes guitars in the USA for less than $1000 has always impressed me. Last time I checked Fender didn't make anything in the USA that you could get out of the store with for under $1000 which is nuts when you consider how little it costs to make a Tele. G&L, Music Man, Rickenbacker, PRS... Are any of them making a guitar in the USA for less than $1000? I would be shocked and impressed if they did. The Green Classic is a beaut, I will have to look at those in person. rct Ohhhhh you are so right abut those! I'm gonna look at the HP but if I buy one I might get beat to death with a frying pan.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I am attracted by the Firebird HP, but for spec rather than looks (though I do like the embossed chrome truss rod cover). But I'm a bit wary of the 495 pups. This seems a bit rich for me! ResistanceDC: 14280.00 Ohms 25250.00 Ohms But if the price dropped sub £1,000.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Oh I couldn't disagree more... Party on bro. Somebody uses them, somebody has success with them, it just isn't me. It is You! If we were in a band I'd borrow one and have a blast and you would use my junky tele and it would be a hoot. The fact that Gibson successfully and regularly makes guitars in the USA for less than $1000 has always impressed me. Last time I checked Fender didn't make anything in the USA that you could get out of the store with for under $1000 which is nuts when you consider how little it costs to make a Tele... Go visit the factory and you'll be amazed that Fedner gets any guitar out the door no matter what the price. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I may have to go look at this green LP too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I will be looking out for those, I have a fondness for underdone Les Pauls. My Les Paul Classic Premium Plus Brougham SVT LTD SuperDeeDuper is schwanky enough. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PelhamBlueFire Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Damn, still waiting for Custom, Memphis, and Acoustic. Especially, Gibson Custom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pesh Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Gibson have got some Amazon exclusives to complement this fine selection, too. 2017 Les Paul Classic in Wine Red: 2017 Les Paul Classic in Ebony: 2017 Les Paul Classic in Tobacco Burst with plus top: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pesh Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 2017 SG in Cherry with Gold hardware (seems to have tags with "Gold Series"...): 2017 SG in Vintage Sunburst: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cody78 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Go visit the factory and you'll be amazed that Fedner gets any guitar out the door no matter what the price. rct I always get the impression you are more of a Fender guy than a Gibson guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I always get the impression you are more of a Fender guy than a Gibson guy? I don't think a guitar player should be without both. If I can only take one it will be one or the other, I'll take the other next time. I usually take one of each out for a night of high octane beer fueled Classic Arena Rock riffage and molten, steaming gobs of shred. If I can only have one it would be a Fedner. If only two, a Fender and a Marteen. My tele goes in the box with me at the end. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 That is one classy SG. Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darling67 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I may have to go look at this green LP too. Is that the Prestone-Dumped-In-A-Swamp Green finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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