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#1 User is offline   LPSpII 

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 08:44 AM

Do any of you buy a guitar because it is want you want and you have no desire to mod it? Setting up the guitar, changing the strings and adding a little graphite to the nut and saddles is about all the modding I do. That and discover all the tones I can get out of it.
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Posted 10 September 2017 - 05:30 PM

Yeah that's pretty much my attitude to guitars. I like to keep my guitars set up well and that's it.

If a guitar doesn't have what I require then I won't buy it. For the price of a set of high-end pickups I find there are good electric guitars to be had.
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Posted 10 September 2017 - 08:00 PM

I never buy guitars with the intent of modifying them. I have only modified 1 guitar and that was putting Gibson pickups and electronics in an Epiphone Explorer. The intent was to leave it as is when I bought it years ago but after acquiring 2 Gibson Explorers, I felt the need to upgrade the Epi to Gibson parts.
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Posted 10 September 2017 - 11:38 PM

What little "Modding" I do, is always totally reversible, with no drilling, routing, or
other "mods" that can't be undone. But, that's just Me! [biggrin]

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:59 PM

I've only modded a couple of my guitars. First is the Dot, which after a year or so I replaced the p/u's, switches, wiring, etc. and added a Bigsby (thinking I have a Gibby ES335, without some bling, but at half the price, and knowing that I was never gonna sell this guitar). The other is my Elitist Casino, just added the Bigsby. Other than that, they are what they are and why I bought them in the first place.

Oops, forgot that I swapped out a tortoise p/g for the white one on my MIM Strat. Is that really a mod?
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:33 PM

I haven't bought any guitars with the initial intent to modify them, but will modify a guitar to make it more to my liking. For instance, I've made the following changes to my Epiphone Custom Riviera P93: replaced Chinese made electrical components (pots, caps, switch, jack and wires) with USA made components, replaced Tune-O-Matic bridge with a roller bridge, replaced plastic nut with a custom made bone nut and replaced the stock tuners with locking tuners. All of these changes made the guitar better, at least to me. I am saving for a new set of pickups. On the other hand, the only change I made to my Gibson Les Paul Standard guitar was to replace the corian nut with a custom bone nut. I couldn't take the strings getting caught up in the nut slot when tuning with the resulting "ping" when they broke free.
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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:37 PM

roller bridge and or graphtech saddles on instruments wlth tremolo unit are he only mods ive done on my epiphones
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:52 AM

I'll only mod if it's a direct drop/fit without making any permanent changes to the guitar. So that is pretty limiting - changing machine heads (but not if I have to drill!), pickguards and so forth.

My reasoning is this: when I'm purchasing a guitar (and I'll go through buying binges every couple years!), if I know that it's been modified, I move on to the next.

I may not be correct in assuming this, but I think, generally, that mods negatively impact value (I know someone will cherry pick examples of the opposite - that's fine). But even if the value statement is not true, mods are still a problem for me, personally, and I assume that if I feel this way, then probably a lot of others do, too. Given that, if I ever want to sell my guitar, I think it will appeal to a larger audience than one that has been modded.

Further, I've never felt the need to mod. I have a couple USA Fenders, a MIM Fender, an Epiphone SG (Iommi ltd ed.), a Chinese Dean and a USA Les Paul. I have all the tones and playability varieties I need. The only mods I've made are changing the machine heads on the Epi (trying to mitigate the tuning issues that impact so many SG style guitars). But I kept the stock machine heads so that I can put them back should I ever decide to sell.

Everyone, I'm sure, has a different opinion on this. That's mine. :-)

Now get out there and play those guitars!
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:31 PM

I've added Bigsbys to a couple of guitars, and changed the tailpiece on my Korean Broadway, bridges on a couple, knobs on a few, and have one that I plan to add a Varitone switch to. I only do permanent mods to relatively inexpensive guitars.

I also have a Samick Artist Series SG that I got as a project guitar which I plan to completely strip and repaint in a psychedelic color scheme. Depending on how it turns out, I may replace the pickups and wiring harness.
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Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:01 PM

[tongue] Nope not a modder here. I buy them because I like them so I have no desire to change them.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:38 PM

View PostLittle Jerry, on 11 September 2017 - 11:33 PM, said:

I haven't bought any guitars with the initial intent to modify them, but will modify a guitar to make it more to my liking. For instance, I've made the following changes to my Epiphone Custom Riviera P93: replaced Chinese made electrical components (pots, caps, switch, jack and wires) with USA made components, replaced Tune-O-Matic bridge with a roller bridge, replaced plastic nut with a custom made bone nut and replaced the stock tuners with locking tuners. All of these changes made the guitar better, at least to me. I am saving for a new set of pickups. On the other hand, the only change I made to my Gibson Les Paul Standard guitar was to replace the corian nut with a custom bone nut. I couldn't take the strings getting caught up in the nut slot when tuning with the resulting "ping" when they broke free.


I love my Riviera P93! The fact that it is so awesome as a stock guitar is what keeps me from modding anything. Keeping it original has a certain appeal to me.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 03:30 PM

In my humble opinion most Epiphone instruments are perfect "as is" , straight out of the box. But , that's just me , maybe Posted Image
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:53 AM

View Postcrust, on 13 September 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

In my humble opinion most Epiphone instruments are perfect "as is" , straight out of the box. But , that's just me , maybe Posted Image


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:23 AM

I don't own one guitar that hasn't had something done to it. All are natural finish, with black pickguards and knobs. All have aftermarket pickups. Most have replaced electronics. For me, "personalizing" the guitars is half the fun of owning and playing them. Do the mods decrease the value, somewhat probably. But I don't mind, I didn't buy them as investments, owning and modding them is a hobby. Looks and performance, looks and performance.......

The Reissue '62 models that I have are great modding platforms. They were both stamped "USED", so they were inexpensive, but very well built. Sold the SD replacement pickups and went to town. The Sorrento has DeArmond gold foils on it and is a hoot to crank up on a tube amp.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:02 AM

It is necessary to upgrade an Epiphone.

Tuners

Pickups

Potentiometers

wiring

Toggle switch

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:00 AM

View PostLPSpII, on 13 September 2017 - 01:38 PM, said:

I love my Riviera P93! The fact that it is so awesome as a stock guitar is what keeps me from modding anything. Keeping it original has a certain appeal to me.

First off, I agree with you that the Epiphone Riviera Custom P93 is a wonderful guitar. It was the first electric guitar that I bought for myself, and although I own a few different guitars now, I probably play the Riviera the most. My goal was to teach myself to play guitar and for my son to use in his middle school jazz band. I bought it after setting a budget and then playing pretty much every guitar I could find in my price range. It really stood out in terms of tone and playability. Although I probably didn’t realize it back then, I was likely attracted to the sound of the P90 pickups.

Having said that, I think there could be quality control issues with the Chinese made Epi’s. Maybe for some they come out fine right out of the box, but this was not my experience. I am not trying to bash Epiphone. I just think that you get what you pay for.

The more I played and learned about guitars, the more I realized that my Epi rattled in places it shouldn’t rattle, the pots didn’t have any taper (more like on/off switches), the nut on the output jack wouldn’t stay tight (the jack once almost fell into the cavity of the guitar), strings would get caught in the nut slots and the guitar in general did not stay in tune as well as other guitars. The mods I made fixed these problems, increased my enjoyment with this instrument and I had fun learning about guitars along the way. There's still a few mods I am considering, such as a fret level to fix the guitar's uneven frets (came that way) and to change out the pickups, but there is no rush and I'll eventually probably do them as time and budget allows.
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 09:03 AM

Replacing nut is not a mod... It is necessary as these wear down. I suppose if you constitute nut replacement as mod, then string replacement is mod too? Repairs are not mods.

Anyhow, I agree don't buy guitar to modify design. Save your money and buy complete guitar that satisfies.

Specific to Epiphones - I have owned 3 in my lifetime - these come with some cheap components that wear down over regular use. I am referring to pots, switches, tuning machines, NUTS, etc. The finishes and wood used I never have had issues with, but the components are necessary to upgrade after use. Just depends WHEN they fail on you. Epiphone is great beginner to intermediate guitar. If you want it to be professional quality, you need to upgrade the thing where its shortcomings are. I am no way insinuating that Gibson guitars do not have these issues at times. Nothing in life is perfect, and guitars embody this concept - unfortunately Posted Image
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 09:54 AM

The only thing I've done is replaced the switch and jack on my Casino with Switchcraft and just recently, I added a Bigsby to it. The rest of it is just strings and setup which really isn't modding. That said, I've considered picking up a cheap Strat or Tele to fool around with.
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2000 Alvarez AD60S, 2001 Alvarez AD60S12, 2011 Yairi FYM – 95, 2011 Yairi WY-1TS, 2012 Yairi CYM-95, 2009 Alvarez MSD-1,


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 01:42 PM

Like CB, everything I do is reversible.

For both LP's I've changed the metals to Faber ABR bridges and tailpieces; a drastic improvement in the acoustics and sustain of both.

I'm in a long-term argument with myself as to wether to change the plastics of my '14 Studio to something like CreamTone; I'm still unsure on how I feel about the toffee-coloured stuff they adorned those models with.

Due to the failing of two locking machine heads of my TP2 I replaced the lot with Schaller alternatives, which could be considered both a mod and replacement. Given that the thing already had 3 push-push pots for child splits and the active boost; I added a fourth which enables a phase reverse, so it's almost like a modern Standard with the taps, phase and blow switch.

Changed pickups a few times in my Squier a few times, and might do so again.
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2002 Fender Squier Affinity Stratocaster - "Janus".

2013 Gibson USA Limited Les Paul Traditional Pro II - "Negroni".
2014 Gibson USA 120th Anniversary Les Paul Studio - "Jupiter".
2015 Epiphone Limited EJ-200 Artist - "Nightmaiden".
2016 Stagg M20 Mandolin - "Octavia".

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First build; cross between a '57 Goldtop & the Lou Pallo Signature Les Paul; thread here [in progress and sadly on hold]

Things without strings...
Marshall MG15DFX.
Orange OR15.
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 12:57 PM

Tweed2 - Woo Hoo! That is a pretty collection of blondes!Thanks for sharing your amazing collection.

As far as getting "picky" about what's a mod and what's routine repair or maintenance: From my perspective, any effort to upgrade a guitar from it's original specs is technically a mod. For example, changing out a broken plastic nut with a replacement plastic nut, I'd call that repair or maintenance. If you replace the plastic nut with a bone/Tusq nut, as an upgrade (not repair/maintenance), that is a modification from original specs. Bottom line is - who cares whether it's one or the other? The answer to that question is someone who is "picky", "picky", "picky." String changes are obviously routine maintenance. Having said that, how many of us continue using the same brand/gauge string set that was on the guitar when we bought it? Most of us have a preference for certain brands/gauges. If it ain't original specs - from a technical perspective, what would you call it?

Looking at an Epiphone Dot as a platform to economically own an ES-335, makes total sense to me. "Buy what you want" sounds like a company tag line to coax someone to purchase a $3,000. Gibson ES-335, rather than a $200 - $300 Epiphone which can be upgraded to Gibson-esque specs for well under $1000.00. For those to whom "money is no object", go get the expensive Gibson head stock inlay. For those of us with budget restrictions, I can mod the Epi and take personal pride in an instrument that I upgraded. I don't think most of us buy an Epi thinking that it might one day be a valuable relic (of course there are exceptions). Epiphone is a working man's/woman's brand , not meant to be a museum piece or part of an investment portfolio. Enjoy your guitar, do the mods/don't do the mods - it's your guitar! Do whatever makes you giggle. Most importantly don't let someone else determine what's right for you. Jack
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