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2015 Gibson's ...how are they really?

#21 User is offline   merciful-evans 

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 06:14 AM

View PostNighthawkChris, on 09 November 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

Well, I have been playing this guitar every night that I can. Because it is essentially brand new and I paid "Gibson" money for this, it may be causing me to be more critical of this thing. I figure that I should start playing it for a while more and then start to evaluate this issue after time has been put in on it. For instance, last night, guitar was playing fine...


I'm glad you are enjoying it so much. It makes the $s more than worthwhile!
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Posted 11 November 2017 - 08:51 PM

I can't complain one bit about my 2015 Midtown Standard in Vintage sunburst
it has been refitted at the factory with Grover tuners, was on sale for $999 in December 2015
so I snatched it up. Over the past couple of years it has treated me to the sweetest tones
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 04:43 AM

Get her a professional setup at your luthier's to establish a proper baseline to work with. If you really paid 5.5 grand (USD) for her, you overpaid by 2 grand by the way.
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:40 AM

View PostLeonard McCoy, on 12 November 2017 - 04:43 AM, said:

If you really paid 5.5 grand (USD) for her, you overpaid by 2 grand by the way.


Better do a Google .. a 2015 Les Paul Custom runs between $3999-4900 not 2200
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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:18 PM

View PostLeonard McCoy, on 12 November 2017 - 04:43 AM, said:

Get her a professional setup at your luthier's to establish a proper baseline to work with. If you really paid 5.5 grand (USD) for her, you overpaid by 2 grand by the way.


He got a custom shop guitar, he did not get a standard.
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Posted 14 November 2017 - 09:58 AM

View PostNighthawkChris, on 13 November 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

I believe that I paid a premium, but LP Customs typically start around $4k brand new. My guitar was brand-spanking new. So for the custom figured flame maple top with tri-burst and the 490R/498T combination and speed knobs, this is what you get. It looks nearly the same as the '68 Reissue which are going around $3-$3.5k used, but again, how do I know this guitar isn't a mess and I can get my money back if I don't like it... There are some risks buying used, and I wanted to go all out and buy new guitar. I liked this finish and this is the only place I can find it brand new today. If this guitar costs me a grand more, who cares I guess. It plays great and as I break it in, it is doing me good. There is no way you would have been able to buy this guitar brand new with Gibson Custom Shop case and COA (whoopty doo on cert.) for less than $4k (unless you are in the right place at the right time, but not something to count on). I thought about the solid finish ebony or alpine, but these were starting around $4.3k I believe. I found the extra money worth it for the custom figured maple top. I also got a lot of stuff from GC that saved me a few hundred on various stuff. I received some JBE pickups (mini-hum and single coil) which are Danny Gatton's favorite... The "Mercedes Benz of pickups", and they are... These pickups are over $150 each! I got a high quality Gibson leather strap, 10 packs of DR coated strings, a couple push-pull 500k Audio taper pots (by Gibson for my Nighthawks), a couple "super switches" again for NH's. I mean the grab bag continues... Tusq nut for an Epi-LP I needed to restore... control plate cover for LP that was missing this, 2 sets of vintage Gibson tuners... I made out pretty well in the deal and made up for the few hundred dollars for this thing to constitute a "good" deal. All my guitars have their "issues" resolved with parts that make them play better after this purchase. I believe Mega was saying I should ask for "freebies" to make the deal better. Great advice, I tell you... Thanks!


Chris, the main point is that you paid what you were happy with, if it's the right guitar for you then you've got to pay whatever it takes to secure it. Life's to short to waste waiting for the next one that comes along.


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 01:30 AM

View PostTwang Gang, on 31 October 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

Glad you got the guitar you wanted and are happy with it.

As I recall most of the complaining about 2015 models was from people who never played one or ever had one in their hands. They just read about the wider neck, brass nut, auto-tuners etc. and said they didn't like any of those features. I guess the nut was a problem and Gibson recognized that and was willing to replace them. Also yours is a custom and didn't have some of the things people didn't like about that year (hologram).


You didnt have to play them to not like that horrible logo or robo tuners.

I own a 15 Junior, ive talked about it here before, i bought it because i got a (at the time, they've since been sold cheaper) smoking deal on it. But that logo is hideous, the brass tuner had grooves worn in it after a month or two of me playing it (and I didn’t play it a whole lot) and I ripped the G Force off the minute I got it. It also has that ridiculous Les Paul hologram.

For me personally I didn’t care one way or the other about the zero fret, I like the wider fretboard but wouldn’t want it on all my guitars. The G Force was a solution looking for a problem and the logo was flat out retarded. I still can’t believe that logo made it all the way to market.

On the Standard models the three knobs with the toggle switch just looks goofy and off. It’s like Gibson didn’t put much thought in how all these changes would affect the aesthetics of the LP. I mean the LP is the best looking guitar ever made IMO, that’s why it’s one of the most copied. So why Gibson thought screwing with the looks was a good idea is beyond me.

I get that it this point Gibson is competing with itself because of all the used LP out there but the looks of the LP is one thing they shouldn’t mess with. If they just changed the looks of a model here or there no one would have cared....but to change it across the board? Just dumb.

So even though I own a 15 I absolutely understand the backlash and agree with a lot of it. It was just dumb of Gibson to force those changes on every LP they made. I still can’t stand the headstock sig on my Junior and had to cover it up with a sticker. I got the free titanium nut from Gibson but ended up getting a Tusq nut for it, which is far superior to the brass one it originally came with.

So in short, IMO, the 2015s are good guitars, they’re just not for everyone. Their features shouldn’t have been implemented across the board. And don’t forget Gibson also jacked the prices up something like 30-40% on the ‘15s. You didn’t have to play a 15 to know it shouldn’t cost 30% more than a ‘14.
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Posted 16 November 2017 - 01:42 AM

View PostNighthawkChris, on 26 October 2017 - 08:05 AM, said:

I have recently purchased a 2015 LP Custom tri-burst. It is pretty much a nice heavy block of solid body (has to be around 10lbs easy - will weigh soon enough), electronics are "classical-like" (soldered "popcorn part" pots and caps - as one would expect I suppose), the tuners are Grovers, and there is no cheezy hologram on the back of the neck-headstock region. Cosmetically, it is fabulous to say the least. What imperfections exist, I have to look very closely at it to see them. Overall, the guitar I wanted. Oh, and it sounds real nice to me with the 498T and 490R pickups.

Going online the biggest gripe with a 2015 (as far as I can tell) is with the G-Force tuner system and the brass (titanium replacement) nut. The brass nut... yeah this is an issue, and a big one IMHO. At least I gather the replacement is free... The tuning system with a faulty nut material doesn't help promote the tuning system any either. I have heard there are complaints of placing an internal PCB in the control cavity. I don't see how that's a bad deal, but if you want to mod the guitar, then maybe it will pose a problem. My guitar does not seem to conform to this stuff whatsoever. It has a plastic (corian?) nut, classical gold HW tuners, electronics are wired, and based on feel, I think that it is not weight relieved... Frets are also very nice with well-cut nibs... Finish and figured maple top is just stunning.

So, I love the guitar - definitely not intending on returning it at all. It is a straight up Les Paul with that familiar LP tone we all love so much. I suppose it seems that the 2015 lineup is focused on Gibson USA and their QC mishaps, not the Custom Shop? Because, honestly, it seems like my guitar was handled with love at the factory, at the GC I bought it from, and now it is in my possession. Received it in a very acceptable condition - and yes for the money I paid for it, it is up to par. The experience was a great one from picking it out, to finally receiving it in my possession. I live in MI and ordered my LPC from Manhattan GC, so it had an extra shipping detail prior to it falling into my hands. Everyone has done a great job with it, but this is GC related. Just mentioning because even after going through GC's hands, it still arrived in awesome condition.

So what else is the stigma with 2015 Gibson guitars? I don't get it and how all of a sudden, 2016's came out and you get a wonderful Gibson...


The “stigma” is because Gibson tried to force the changes on every LP that year. If the 2015 features had just been on a single model, or a few models, no one would have cared. It was the across the board part that bothered 99% of the people complaining.

Also Gibson jacked up the prices on the 2015s toabsurd levels. So they made changes very few people liked or wanted then jacked the prices up on top of that. The guitars themselves aren’t bad as far as playability goes. They’re just different (and IMO goofy) looking.

I own a ‘15 junior and it plays great but I ditched the G Force, put a Tusq nut on it and covered up that ridiculous looking sig with a sticker. On the Standards, Deluxe etc the three knobs just look weird to me but I’m sure they play great, or as good as any LP.

The only change I like on the 15s is the wider fretboard, but even that I wouldn’t want on every LP. It’s just a nice option to have if you want it.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 09:25 PM

View PostNighthawkChris, on 30 November 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Last night, I was playing my 2015 LP Custom, and it is a real nice piece of work... The more I play it, the more I appreciate it. Aside from the guitar needing a setup after paying Gibson money, the guitar is outright awesome. Looks beautiful and most importantly, sounds and plays great (of course after a setup). I could go on and on how Gibson doesn't setup even a Custom Shop guitar (the saddles were in a straight line - my screwdriver was first to manipulate the TOM), but the HW is functional and I have no complaints whatsoever about it. The action is nice - the TOM is nearly touching the body! I did raise the tail a little as it was causing the strings and TOM to come into contact.

Overall, this guitar is spectacular, and for what I paid for it, it will be worth it to me if it means I have a beautiful looking and sounding instrument for the ages. Like I said, the more I play it, the better it gets. The intonation seems to get better and it definitely stays in tune much better. The tuning machines were a bit stiff at first being that they were pretty new and unused, but I adjusted the screw torque on the Grovers to make them more "pleasant" to operate - enough to hold a string in place but not too tight that it takes a tool to twist the peg-head. But that's all it took for the tuning machines... The nut doesn't plink (bind) the strings anymore thanks #2 pencil... I have been playing some country/jazz/blues with it and it fits in nicely. Sustain is great and the tone is amazing coming out of the 498T/490R set. Overall, really starting to love this guitar and have it feel like one of my old trusty guitars. I can easily see how this will become one of my most favorite guitars as I spend the years with it. It's all the Les Paul anyone would ever want, haha! Always been a Gibson guy since I started playing as a kid, and I haven't swayed the path. I went all in on them and I am not regretful of my decision to pull the trigger on this tri-burst LP Custom. Just love how the flames on the finish move when I look at it in different light! Even my little nephew who is 10, doesn't play guitar was in awe of how beautiful it looks as he was afraid to touch it, haha! I mean, damn, every inch of this guitar is just awesome, and she will be played Posted Image


Yeah....but Gibson didn’t mess up the Customs in 2015.
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Posted 01 December 2017 - 10:47 AM

View PostNighthawkChris, on 01 December 2017 - 05:34 AM, said:

Yeah, I gather that now... Initially, I lumped all Gibson production into a heap for 2015 but that seems to not be the case. Anyhow, glad I went with the Custom. It hasn't let me down so far...


Customs are cool. I have a white 88.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 12:15 PM

I' m very surprised how my 2015 SG Std is a very good Gibson, only the weight of GForce tuners can be an issue.

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