Jtbandy Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 So I bought an original collection Les Paul Special TV Yellow through Sweetwater at the beginning of February. I still don’t have it, and I can’t get anybody to give me even one bit of info on when I’ll get the guitar. I check everywhere just about every day and no one has had one all year long. Are they just not making them? Yeah yeah I’ve heard Covid has slowed everything down, but I’m not buying that excuse anymore. Is a slab body guitar and Sweetwater has had the PO in since 2020. It just doesn’t seem like they want to make any in 2021. The time wouldn’t bother me if I just knew how long it was going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 They seem to be building expensive Guitars first. There seem to be lots of Pre Orders for High End Guitars.. They're gone as fast as they come in… People are even buying the crazy priced Murphy models.. The less expensive ones don’t have as much profit so they aren’t high priority.. It took over a year to get my mew USA Epiphone Casino from the time I ordered it… Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I had a quick browse. In my neck of the woods, there are plenty advertised but none in stock. The one exeption being Andertons who have 2 Murphy Lab ones at crazy prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Why is it called TV Yellow anyway? That one has always puzzled me. Notes ♫ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtbandy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) It’s called TV yellow because it worked well with the tv cameras when television was black and white. A true white guitar would clash with the exposure and make a hot spot on the tv screen apparently…. I’m guessing the hue of tv yellow was the lightest color that wouldn’t do that. Edited October 15, 2021 by Jtbandy 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Notes_Norton said: Why is it called TV Yellow anyway? That one has always puzzled me. Notes ♫ The LesPaul TV Model was that color. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtbandy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Notes_Norton said: Why is it called TV Yellow anyway? That one has always puzzled me. Notes ♫ It’s called TV yellow because it worked well with the tv cameras when television was black and white. A true white guitar would clash with the exposure and make a hot spot on the tv screen apparently…. I’m guessing the hue of tv yellow was the lightest color that wouldn’t do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Nice of you to post that twice, BANDY, but I get that. Back in "the day" live TV broadcasts( and those to be kinescoped) insisted people to avoid wearing white shirts or blouses and instead opt for yellow or pale blue which would still look white on a black and white television broadcast. I watch a lot of "retro" TV, and notice that most times when someone would be playing a guitar, the instrument was white. But, now I know better. But now it makes me wonder.... Why not just use a natural or tobacco burst? I don't imagine that would cause any problems. Whitefang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtbandy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 42 minutes ago, Whitefang said: Nice of you to post that twice, BANDY, but I get that. Back in "the day" live TV broadcasts( and those to be kinescoped) insisted people to avoid wearing white shirts or blouses and instead opt for yellow or pale blue which would still look white on a black and white television broadcast. I watch a lot of "retro" TV, and notice that most times when someone would be playing a guitar, the instrument was white. But, now I know better. But now it makes me wonder.... Why not just use a natural or tobacco burst? I don't imagine that would cause any problems. Whitefang Forgot to quote the person I was replying to and then realized I also didn’t know how to delete the original post. I hope someday you find it in your heart to forgive me for polluting your eyes with such ignorance. 😂 I would guess that the sunburst was just more expensive (at least for the les Paul’s) since the special was a student model. It could also just be preference of the owners. I was but a twinkle in the eye at that point so what to I know haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 "Polluting" my eyes? Anyway, no worries. And nothing to forgive. There've been times I double posted but usually by mistake. And my comment was basically a "rib", meaning to be facetious. Anyway.... I'm pretty sure there's no difference in price from one guitar finish(white) to another(any burst) but that a white guitar would somehow look more "classy" to some TV producers. I don't know. But the white guitars I've seen on old B&W television shows didn't look "classy" as much as they did cheap and sometimes made of plastic. But, as the guitar wasn't the "star" of those shows, it probably didn't really matter. Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBSinTo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 51 minutes ago, Whitefang said: "Polluting" my eyes? Anyway, no worries. And nothing to forgive. There've been times I double posted but usually by mistake. And my comment was basically a "rib", meaning to be facetious. Anyway.... I'm pretty sure there's no difference in price from one guitar finish(white) to another(any burst) but that a white guitar would somehow look more "classy" to some TV producers. I don't know. But the white guitars I've seen on old B&W television shows didn't look "classy" as much as they did cheap and sometimes made of plastic. But, as the guitar wasn't the "star" of those shows, it probably didn't really matter. Whitefang Whitefang, No guitar is ever the "star"of any serious music show, nor should it be. Clapton, Knopfler or Jubar, just to name three really fine guitarists, aren't mentioned as after-thoughts in concert revues after their guitars are critiqued. The musicians and their skills take center stage, not the Martin, PRS, Taylor, Fender, or even Gibson that they're playing. RBSinTo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 True but the manufacturers wanted to guitar to stand out and be noticeable. Then the kids at home could bug their parents to buy them one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, SteveFord said: True but the manufacturers wanted to guitar to stand out and be noticeable. Then the kids at home could bug their parents to buy them one. Dad I gotta have that 10k Murphy aged TV Les Paul or the kids won’t like me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) There seems to be a few variations of TV Yellow Les Paul Specials both DC's and Single cuts available. https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/USA2KP357/Les-Paul-Special/TV-Yellow https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/CUSNZT900/1957-Les-Paul-Special-Single-Cut-Reissue/TV-Yellow https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/CUSNR1445/1957-Les-Paul-Special-Single-Cut-TV-Yellow-Ultra-Light-Aged/TV-Yellow https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/CUSU6S317/1960-Les-Paul-Special-Double-Cut-Reissue/TV-Yellow Also there are a few single P90 Les Paul Juniors Single cut and DC's Explore Les Paul..... Edited October 15, 2021 by mihcmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtbandy Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, mihcmac said: There seems to be a few variations of TV Yellow Les Paul Specials both DC's and Single cuts available. https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/USA2KP357/Les-Paul-Special/TV-Yellow https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/CUSNZT900/1957-Les-Paul-Special-Single-Cut-Reissue/TV-Yellow https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/CUSNR1445/1957-Les-Paul-Special-Single-Cut-TV-Yellow-Ultra-Light-Aged/TV-Yellow https://www.gibson.com/Guitar/CUSU6S317/1960-Les-Paul-Special-Double-Cut-Reissue/TV-Yellow Also there are also a few single P90 Les Paul Juniors Single cut and DC's Explore Les Paul..... Forgot to mention I was a lefty…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jtbandy said: Forgot to mention I was a lefty…. Need to order one that is actually in stock like this one... https://www.wwbw.com/Gibson-Les-Paul-Special-Left-Handed-Electric-Guitar-L78230-L78230000001000.wwbw?source=TWWR5J1BB&cntry=us¤cy=usd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad1 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 White guitars show up on a TV. You guys don’t know what you are talking about. I have a degree in Television Broadcasting and have worked as a TV reporter for a number of years. white is fine. In fact you hold up a piece if white paper in front of the camera to do something called a”white balance” before shooting to make sure all the white is picked up correctly. You see white on TV every day. what you can NOT have on TV is thin, black and white lines close together. Then you have problems. But plain white is absolutely fine and always has been. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 13 hours ago, Jtbandy said: Forgot to mention I was a lefty…. Yes thats important. Tried Thomann? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Thanks everyone for your explanations. This just made me more curious, 4 theories follow: https://www.stillkickinmusic.com/blogs/still-kickin-blog/tv-yellow-whered-it-come-from https://guitarriego.com/en-us/guitar/tv-yellow-history-and-myths-of-a-classic-color-of-gibson/ I had electronics in school, and I do know that the old color TV sets that had a picture tube mixed 3 colors to make all the others. Red, Blue and Green (not Yellow). I'm sure this has nothing to do with it, but I find it interesting that in the TV set, there was no TV Yellow. There is a LP Special at Sweetwater https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LPSPTVNH--gibson-les-paul-special-tv-yellow in TV yellow that has P90 pickups. I think the yellow is OK, but I absolutely love P90 pickups. I played a P90 pickup exclusively for about a year, and after that, everything else just sounds dull. Notes ♫ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 14 hours ago, brad1 said: White guitars show up on a TV. You guys don’t know what you are talking about. I have a degree in Television Broadcasting and have worked as a TV reporter for a number of years. white is fine. In fact you hold up a piece if white paper in front of the camera to do something called a”white balance” before shooting to make sure all the white is picked up correctly. You see white on TV every day. what you can NOT have on TV is thin, black and white lines close together. Then you have problems. But plain white is absolutely fine and always has been. I guess you haven't heard about TV yellow before. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefang Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 21 hours ago, RBSinTo said: Whitefang, No guitar is ever the "star"of any serious music show, nor should it be. Clapton, Knopfler or Jubar, just to name three really fine guitarists, aren't mentioned as after-thoughts in concert revues after their guitars are critiqued. The musicians and their skills take center stage, not the Martin, PRS, Taylor, Fender, or even Gibson that they're playing. RBSinTo Yep, as it should be. But I'm reminded of my ex's kid brother( who at the time of this recollection was 16) who after attending a concert (band name escapes my memory) had trouble answering a simple question from me.... Like---- "How did they sound?" To which he seemed to ignore, instead going on about the laser light show during the concert. When asked again then went on about things like--- The pyrotechnics, the gimmick in which FLAMES shot out of the guitarist's ax's headstock, and then about the outfits they wore onstage. Exasperated, I finally asked more strongly, "Yeah, but how did they SOUND?" To which he merely shrugged and answered, "Oh. OK I guess." !!! He GUESSED? Sure, the guitar those guys you mentioned play shouldn't really matter. They'd sound good regardless WHAT make, model or color the guitar is. I never once heard anyone say, "I didn't like Hendrix. He played a FENDER, and I don't like Fenders." And to be clear, those plastic looking white guitars I mentioned weren't seen on any serious music show. Just by musicians more in the background on an old variety show. Whitefang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 I think you can pay Gibson to make you a guitar any color you want, so I guess as soon as you order one and as soon as they can crank it out is when . . . or there us always the used market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihcmac Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 The story I heard was that Les Paul was painting a guitar a translucent white to contrast with is dark suite on TV and when he applied the clear finish it reacted and turned yellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantastic Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/15/2021 at 8:07 PM, brad1 said: White guitars show up on a TV. You guys don’t know what you are talking about. I have a degree in Television Broadcasting and have worked as a TV reporter for a number of years. white is fine. In fact you hold up a piece if white paper in front of the camera to do something called a”white balance” before shooting to make sure all the white is picked up correctly. You see white on TV every day. what you can NOT have on TV is thin, black and white lines close together. Then you have problems. But plain white is absolutely fine and always has been. No, it really wasn't. Back in the day, something too big and too white would "bloom". Limitations of the technology back then and still a problem now, although on a pixel level. I guess my decades as a broadcast engineer trumps your TV Broadcasting degree! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantastic Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) AND BTW... I didn't read the thread, but I'm assuming that a bunch of people have given you wrong information so far But to answer your question, I just bought one directly from gibson a few weeks ago. They were in stock on the gibson site. Edited October 17, 2021 by Mantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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