Twang Gang Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I stumbled across a youtube vid with Joe Walsh talking about a Carvin guitar he had made. He pointed out that all the strings ran right over the center of the pole pieces on the pickups and mentioned that a lot of manufacturers don't bother to check that and put the pickups a little off center. Pretty sure if Joe ordered a custom guitar from anyone they would be pretty picky about the build hoping he would love and endorse it, whereas the rest of us buying production line guitars get what we get. So I thought I would take a look at my guitars and see how they lined up. $300 Tele low E,A,D,G line up pretty good, B and high E pretty far off. LP Standard Bridge pickup all good - Neck middle four strings good, low and high Es pretty far off. LP Lite Bridge pup good except high E, Neck middle four good, both Es off center. Now to the expensive stuff: CS 356 Neck pup low E and A off, other four good. Bridge pup low E,A,D good other 3 strings pretty far off. And lastly an L-5 that I paid almost $10K for, both neck and bridge pups, all six strings way off. However since that guitar has a floating bridge I can probably loosen the strings, budge the bridge over a little and they will all be pretty close. One thing I noticed is that most often the low E is off center. My bridges are all a little higher on that side because the string is thicker so to get correct string height and distance from bottom of string to pole piece I have to raise the bridge on the bass side higher than the treble side. Might be able to center the string better over that pole by lowering bridge and the pickup on that side, but may cause a problem with string height off fingerboard? Something I have overlooked for years in doing my own set-ups. So wondering if anyone else ever looked at this as a quality check and most importantly if you think it makes much difference tone/soundwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StRanger7032 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 My Korean Epiphone is all out of whack on the bridge pickup. When I replaced the stock pickup, I actually used a trembucker (wider) so it would line up better with the pole pieces. Its still far from perfect, but I think that contributes ever so slightly to the guitar's unique sound, so I don't really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Don't matter, don't care, never lost a gig or got fired or messed up something because my strings were off. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Don't matter, don't care, never lost a gig or got fired or messed up something because my strings were off. rct How did you play without strings?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 SCORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Usually only my G string is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Don't matter, don't care, never lost a gig or got fired or messed up something because my strings were off. rct Scary to think how great you could have been though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 1505525134[/url]' post='1881630']How did you play without strings?? I gave you a plus there too, I got a laugh. I read way back Joe Walsh loved Carvin and because of their accuracy and detail. I think they put that in to everyone's guitars they make. Or at least that's what I heard. The guitar I have that was the furthest off was my Squire vintage modified Jag. When I first got it, some strings didn't even come close to the poles. But the bridge allows you to move the strings. I think it was played some as a floor model at GC because right after I got home with it, within a couple of days the high E just snapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 My Squier Esprit (which is hanging on the wall) lines up pretty much perfect for the bridge pup, but is way out on the neck one. Its unfortunate because its the neck one I use. This is partly Buttery's fault because I sent details of string spacing when ordering those pups. Does it matter? Well, no. It sounds great. On this topic, I will say that Schaller make a combi bridge that permits string spacing movement. I have one of these on my Ric 650 and its a useful feature to me as I like to keep the Es well away from the fingerboard edges. There are no pole positions evident on those (mini-HBs) pups, but again, it sounds just fine. I'm inclined to think that its not too important. The only guitar I ever used with string volume disparity (the low E was too quiet) was a cheap Charvette, but that was because the pups were cheap & nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHTom Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Usually only my G string is off. TMI.........and I mean WAY TMI!!!! NHTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Does it make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHTom Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Honestly, I don't really every check........I go by the sound......if I strum a full chord, and I can't hear certain strings/they are not blending well, I'll mess with the height/angle or the pole pieces, but as long as each string sounds like it has good definition, I leave it alone. NHTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Does it make a difference? Only if you don't have covers on your pickups.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american cheez Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 it's more important that the strings properly line up with the neck. moving the sting location to line up with the pole piece is the wrong approach. if it bothers someone that much, the correct thing to do is fix the pick up, not the string location. i don't believe it matters anyway, because i don't think of those pole pieces as microphones. magnetic fields occur in an arc. you dont need the kind of precision some folks seem to worry about. if you did, les paul would have addressed it long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bill Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 SCORE I played without stings a couple of times, people said it was the best I ever sounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelT Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I can honestly say that in all the electric guitars I've owned since my first electric in 1979, I've never noticed. I've never had anyone say, "You're pretty good but you'd sound a lot better if your strings lined up with your pole pieces." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 To me it does matter, at least it did on my Epiphone 335 Pro. The strings did not align, so no big deal, then the saddles started to fall apart, Stew mac has nickel plated brass saddles that fit Epis, for $6 a nice upgrade. Before I replaced them I noticed the Epi saddles have that cast notch in v shape, well the string spacing on the bridge is actually narrower on the bridge than it is on the tail piece. When I notched the new saddles the string spacing is a bit wider and I like how the guitar plays better now and well, as a result the pole pieces line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 When you bend your B string doesn't it move away from being over the pole piece? Yes. So goofs like myself and a bunch of others tell you to lift your strings not just for better playing but for better sound. The pickup can "see" the string better the higher it is. Betts can lecture you for hours about it. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 In Memory Of E R is probably the best ABB song ever. hmmm...jesus that is just so hard... Revival Come And Go Blues Pony Boy And then a really really newer one, Back Where It All Begins These are all ones super special times seeing Dickey, so they are some odd ones that it was just special to get to see. Stormy Monday, Tower Theater Philly PA, 2000-2001*, somewhere in there. Even Betts knew he needed the fire department to put him out. And on record, there's a Blue Sky on one of the An Evening With records. A lesson in holding the band together while Warren just tears it up. Betts is so good with Butch that night it was just great they got it on tape. rct *Allen Woody played, so I had to look and see when he died, so this was late 99 or early 2000. I saw Mule a couple weeks before he died, that was after that 7 nights at the Tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notes_Norton Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I've been thinking about this: 1) For me, it doesn't matter since I notice no difference when I bend strings 2) It could be an indication of how persnickety the guitar builder is and the attention to detail put in the rest of the instrument 3) Or it could mean that the manufacturer made both the pickups and the bridge and therefore used the same scale of measurement I've never owned a Carvin guitar, but I have owned their speakers, both passive and amplified and they are great sounding speakers and very good value for the money. Insights and incites by Notes P.S. The strings on my Parker guitars line up with the poles on the Duncan pickups. But then the rest of the guitars also have a lot of attention to details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I forgot to lecture arrogantly on guitar history, so, you know... Long ago there were two kinds of electric guitars, Fenders and Gibsons. Fender's singles had a pole spacing and Gibson's humbuckers had another. Soon after Seymour in the very early 80's, there were more than just Dimarzios around, and not long after that everybody everywhere was making pickups. So guitar players had more pickups than they could imagine, and they were moving them all over the place. It was only later somebody realized, probably as a result of trying to sell a guitar, that the pole spacing could actually be noticed across the two kinds of electric guitars and all of the inferior copies that had also flooded the streets. So then everyone had to talk about it and make it a big deal, and later Seymour or Dimarzio I don't remember who first, started making "F" spaced humbuckers. And some said it was "Floyd" for these new fangled whamm-o bars the long hairs were using, but it wasn't, it was Fender. It does just happen that since Edward used a Fender bridge to show Floyd what he wanted Floyds happen to exactly match a Fender, but the F Spaced Humbucker was always for Fender. So there you have it. More important and valuable guitar history from some doosch that lived it, and I didn't even charge you. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 What about case spacing. GREEN FUZZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Yep that color is a winner. My strings have no pole pieces to line up over on my D-28. Suck on that Joe. I use a crappy Duncan soundhole pickup on my CFMarteens. I don't know, and I don't care, if it lines up. The Weight makes them smile, which makes me very happy, that's all the lining up I need. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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