S t e v e Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 God or chuck berry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shnate McDuanus Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-dub Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Elvis, not that i'm overly fond of his actual music, but they call him the king for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L5Larry Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Just to throw a wrench into this discussion... The earliest recordings that I've heard that sound like what eventually became known as Rock & Roll were by Tennessee Ernie Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rogerb Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Bill Haley is credited as having the first rock and roll song but it was very similar to Hank Williams song called "Move it on over" just no back beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenced Fred Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 What's the difference? Â Reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 It has long been acknowledged by a consensus of people in the recording industry that Ike Turner's 1952 hit "Rocket 88" was the first Rock and Roll record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam011235 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 you know what rock n roll means dont you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 It has long been acknowledged by a consensus of people in the recording industry that Ike Turner's 1952 hit "Rocket 88" was the first Rock and Roll record. Â I go with those who consider he first rock n roll recording to be Rocket 88 credited to Jackie Brenston and his Delta Cats who were actually Ike Turner's band The Kings of Rhythm recording under a different name. The song was recorded at Sam Phillips' Memphis Recording Service - you know - that little company with the gold mine of artists - Sun Records - recorded 1951. Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzYRKJvQqpU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 broadly speaking... the economy. Â It was not economic to have a whole "big band" any more, so combos were increasingly in vogue. In order to have a combo get a dance floor in motion with more or less the style of dancing of the era, you've gotta have a pretty heavy overall beat. "Rock and Roll" became, IMHO, inevitable. The "how" is the general culture and economy finding means to do the above. Â m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Fats back in 1949 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lespaulj45 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The earliest rocknroll song in my collection is "Hot Rod Race" recorded by Arkie Shibley and His Mountain Dew Boys in late 1950....I am sure someone will come up with a earlier one.....probably a uptempo blues piece will be earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Just sayin'.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S t e v e Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Just sayin'.......... Â is that a "jackson" usa model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 is that a "jackson" usa model? Â If I claimed I knew, I'd be in de-nile...........:blink: ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brundaddy Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Fats back in 1949 Â Â Yeah you right! New Orleans was the source. I will argue that it goes back a couple years earlier (in New Orleans of course) to Roy Brown's tune "Good Rockin Tonight" -- the mofo proclaims the news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bclSiaftHE Â Of course, rock and roll is a permeable stream of consciousness through time and has no finite beginning. If this is about 'what's the 1st rock and roll record?' I will stick with Roy Brown's 1947 cut. He was the 1st to sing R&B with a gospel feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstMeasure Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 When did Carl Perkins hit the Scene? Â And are we counting Boogie Woogie or some of the up beat 4/4 dance music Blues Guys like Pine Top Perkins were doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl00dsm0k3 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 chuck no doubt about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 For that you can thank the Million Dollar, albeit impromptu, Quartet: Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, and Roy Orbison. For promoting these guys you can thank one Samuel Cornelius Phillips of Sun Studio, Memphis, Tennessee. Â There never really was a single band consisting of these fellows, but there is an extant recording of an impromptu 'session' with the above, less Orbison. These guys definitely toured together in the early years. Â "The Killer," Lewis, is the only one still with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Well... my understanding is that Phillips thought more of Orbison as a guitarist than as a singer... <grin> Â But seriously, I really think it was inevitable given the times. Â 1. After WWII big bands were increasingly uneconomic and combos were "in" for live music. Â 2. That war, and the Korean War, brought together people from all regions of the country along with their musical traditions. What might have been considered strange music was not odd regionalism or race-based that much any more. Â 3. Technology was rapidly changing, again, thanks to the war. There was a lot of "new" tech involving vacuum tubes that were now far less expensive and manufacturers geared up for wartime needs were looking for markets and the new musical combo was one great outlet along with new radios and the new medium, television. Â 4. Television also gave a few artists a venue that showed them as well as allowed them to be heard. That added to momentum. The 45 rpm single, then the increasing quality available in the 33 1/2 rpm disk also helped. Radio stations diversified and many went into a teen market with the more rhythm-oriented music, although "pop" type material remained part of the mix even into the Beatle era, especially in ballads. Â Technically the music wasn't necessarily all that complex, nor were performances, nor was the degree of virtuosity compared to many other styles of the time. But youthful combo performers playing loud instruments and cutting up on stage changed the whole youth market. Â Listen to the "lead guitar" in Buddy Holly's Peggy Sue. Totally uninspiring by today's standard of guitar virtuosity, but the song was so popular it even got onto the quite conservative Arthur Murray Dance Party television show. Â The teen market also was filled with movies emphasizing rebellion. Â The combining of electric guitar, new media, combo economics, institutionalized teen rebellion and mixing of musical styles all added to make "rock" inevitable, IMHO. I really don't think one can point to a specific artist, really. Even big band music had gone to heavier rhythms in the mid 1940s, too. Â Jazz went intellectual and undanceable so... what was left? Â m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S t e v e Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 ok, maybe they didn't invent it but they sure gave it to us! Â http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV_tXedY8c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-dub Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 i'm sticking to my original thought.  there is after all, only one king  he may not have started it, but he was a huge part of making rock & roll mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinh Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Well... my understanding is that Phillips thought more of Orbison as a guitarist than as a singer... <grin>  But seriously, I really think it was inevitable given the times.  1. After WWII big bands were increasingly uneconomic and combos were "in" for live music.  2. That war, and the Korean War, brought together people from all regions of the country along with their musical traditions. What might have been considered strange music was not odd regionalism or race-based that much any more.  3. Technology was rapidly changing, again, thanks to the war. There was a lot of "new" tech involving vacuum tubes that were now far less expensive and manufacturers geared up for wartime needs were looking for markets and the new musical combo was one great outlet along with new radios and the new medium, television.  4. Television also gave a few artists a venue that showed them as well as allowed them to be heard. That added to momentum. The 45 rpm single, then the increasing quality available in the 33 1/2 rpm disk also helped. Radio stations diversified and many went into a teen market with the more rhythm-oriented music, although "pop" type material remained part of the mix even into the Beatle era, especially in ballads.  Technically the music wasn't necessarily all that complex, nor were performances, nor was the degree of virtuosity compared to many other styles of the time. But youthful combo performers playing loud instruments and cutting up on stage changed the whole youth market.  Listen to the "lead guitar" in Buddy Holly's Peggy Sue. Totally uninspiring by today's standard of guitar virtuosity, but the song was so popular it even got onto the quite conservative Arthur Murray Dance Party television show.  The teen market also was filled with movies emphasizing rebellion.  The combining of electric guitar, new media, combo economics, institutionalized teen rebellion and mixing of musical styles all added to make "rock" inevitable, IMHO. I really don't think one can point to a specific artist, really. Even big band music had gone to heavier rhythms in the mid 1940s, too.  Jazz went intellectual and undanceable so... what was left?  m   Great analysis. I'd also point to the ASCAP strike of 1941 (?) that kept most of the tin-pan alley writers and the big bands off the radio for an extended period. The radio stations turned to non-ASCAP artists who were often regional "Hillbilly" "Western" and "Bluegrass" players who worked solo or in small combos. The public got a taste of this music, and the Big bands never really recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrosurfer1959 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 It was Michael J Fox when he went back in time and played the high school dance I saw it in a movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanvillRob Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Before The King.... Before Rocket 88..... Before Fats...... there was: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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