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Starting to wonder, if I love the "idea" of a Les Paul, more than the guitar, itself? SG's have (almost) taken over, for me.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 03:26 PM

Forgive me, if this is heresy, But...
I have always owned (at least) one Les Paul model, guitar, since 1968. A new Les Paul Custom, at that time.
And, I DO love how they sound, quite often. But, for playability, weight, and tone, the SG has just about
taken over, as my "go to" guitar. Odd, since I didn't own an SG, for almost 40 years. Most of the "old timer's"
here, know why, as I've been over it, time and time again. [tongue]

Now that I have SG's (4) again, and ironically, mostly '61 "Les Paul" reissue, spec's, I'm struggling to even
get out the typical (single horn) Les Paul's anymore. Probably mostly due to weight, and upper fret access.
I still love the "look" of them, as much as I always have. But, if I'm being honest, here, I rarely play them,
anymore. Maybe I will, again, at some point, in the future? But, I'm not at all sure, right now. [unsure]

Do any of you have similar feelings, regarding the normal "Les Paul" models, even if it's not regarding SG's,
or even other Gibson guitars. Maybe you prefer a Strat or Tele, or some other model/brand? But, still won't
give up, on your beautiful "Les Paul's?"

Just curious, really. [tongue] [unsure] [biggrin]


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Posted 30 July 2017 - 04:28 PM

Admittedly, I rarely play my Les Paul and I constantly think about getting rid of it. I prefer a Stratocaster. It's not the weight, but the feel of the instrument when I play it. It's probably because I primarily play a Fender P Bass and the shape of a Stratocaster is more familiar. I like the look of the Les Paul more, but as far as functionality and playability its the Stratocaster.

I can't even imagine playing a Les Paul Bass...
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 04:53 PM

Yeah, Strat's are hard to beat, for comfort, and looks, too! And, their unique, and versatile tone palette.
I STILL love my Les Paul's, but for some odd reason, I haven't played them, much at all, since getting the SG's.
I remember when I first got one of my SG's ('61 "Satin" Reissue), it took a short time, getting adjusted to all
that neck, availability...and not end up in the wrong key! LOL But, it was just a short adjustment. [biggrin]

Maybe(?) it's just a "phase," I'm going through??! [unsure] I may just get out my 2000 LP "Classic" and play
ONLY that guitar, for awhile, and see if that rekindles the passion, for my Les Paul's, once again? Who knows?

It's a nice "problem" to have, no doubt! [biggrin] :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 05:53 PM

View Postcharlie brown, on 30 July 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

Forgive me, if this is heresy, But...
I have always owned (at least) one Les Paul model, guitar, since 1968. A new Les Paul Custom, at that time.
And, I DO love how they sound, quite often. But, for playability, weight, and tone, the SG has just about
taken over, as my "go to" guitar. Odd, since I didn't own an SG, for almost 40 years. Most of the "old timer's"
here, know why, as I've been over it, time and time again. [tongue]

Now that I have SG's (4) again, and ironically, mostly '61 "Les Paul" reissue, spec's, I'm struggling to even
get out the typical (single horn) Les Paul's anymore. Probably mostly due to weight, and upper fret access.
I still love the "look" of them, as much as I always have. But, if I'm being honest, here, I rarely play them,
anymore. Maybe I will, again, at some point, in the future? But, I'm not at all sure, right now. [unsure]

Do any of you have similar feelings, regarding the normal "Les Paul" models, even if it's not regarding SG's,
or even other Gibson guitars. Maybe you prefer a Strat or Tele, or some other model/brand? But, still won't
give up, on your beautiful "Les Paul's?"

Just curious, really. [tongue] [unsure] [biggrin]


CB


No. The Les Paul is still the greatest guitar ever made as far as I'm concerned. SGs are Ok but I've never had the desire to own one. Why do you think your preference is just a "phase"? If you like the SG better you like the SG better.

Guitars are totally personal. I would never play an Airline fiberglass guitar but Jack White seems to have done OK with them. I think those Danelectro Longhorn basses (or whatever they're called) are ugly as sin but I heard that John Entwistle recorded the bass for My Generation on one. I can't stand PRS but a lot of people like them.

I don't think any of that is a "phase" it's just personal taste.

BTW, why is Les Paul in quotes in your post?
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 06:07 PM

I'm exactly the same about my SG, 6 years later. It's my first SG, it was a great idea, unfortunately not a great neck for me. It's going out in a couple weeks.

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 08:03 PM

I'm with you on that 100% CB. I keep thinking I must have a Les Paul in my collection. I get one, I don't play it enough to justify having my money tied up in it, and it gets sold. My SGs, which are wired like a late 50s Les Paul, make all the same noises, plus they're lighter and have better access. If I get another Les Paul, it will have P-90s so it actually does something different than my SGs. Les Pauls sure are pretty, though!
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 08:30 PM

View PostAllenjason95, on 30 July 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

No. The Les Paul is still the greatest guitar ever made as far as I'm concerned. SGs are Ok but I've never had the desire to own one. Why do you think your preference is just a "phase"? If you like the SG better you like the SG better.

Guitars are totally personal. I would never play an Airline fiberglass guitar but Jack White seems to have done OK with them. I think those Danelectro Longhorn basses (or whatever they're called) are ugly as sin but I heard that John Entwistle recorded the bass for My Generation on one. I can't stand PRS but a lot of people like them.

I don't think any of that is a "phase" it's just personal taste.

BTW, why is Les Paul in quotes in your post?


The Les Paul is in quotes, because '61 SG's were the new "Les Paul" in '61. And, I just wanted to differentiate, between
my '61 Les Paul spec'd SG's, to those of the more common (non Custom Shop & non-HP Gibson USA) SG, these days.
In 2013, SG's were made (again) with '61 beveling, and horn tapering, which I MUCH prefer. In fact, I didn't buy an SG, when I
started playing again, after my 30 year hiatus, because, at that time, Gibson USA SG's didn't have those wider/deeper bevels,
or horn tapering, that I love. So, in 2013...I went SG "Crazy" and bought 4!

The reason I was talking "a phase," was because I have loved the single cutaway, and double cutaway Les Paul's for decades.
Since I got MY first one, in 1968...the first year they reintroduced them. Even during my hiatus, I ended up with 2, in storage.
Added the rest, much later, starting in the year 2000.

Anyway, that's why it "might" be just a "phase," and/or temporary slow down, on playing my single cutaway Les Paul's. :-k And,
I tend to do that...play one type, for awhile, then change to another type, or even brand. And, I know, I'm fortunate to be able to
do that. [biggrin]

Cheers,

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 08:43 PM

View PostStRanger7032, on 30 July 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

I'm with you on that 100% CB. I keep thinking I must have a Les Paul in my collection. I get one, I don't play it enough the justify having my money tied up in it, and it gets sold. My SGs, which are wired like a late 50s Les Paul, make all the same noises, plus they're lighter and have better access. If I get another Les Paul, it will have P-90s so it actually does something different than my SGs. Les Pauls sure are pretty, though!



Yeah, IF (BIG IF) I got another Les Paul, it too, would have to have P-90's and a "Gold Top!" [thumbup] [biggrin]
But, I'll wait for a Tradtional, or Classic version. I simply cannot justify, at my station in life, spending
6 Grand+, on a CS "True Historic" '52-56 version, regardless of how "Awesome" they are. [unsure] [tongue]

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Posted 30 July 2017 - 08:58 PM

I love the look and sound of a Les Paul but I hate the weight. I only played out with a Les Paul once, 15+ years ago. I love the weight of SGs so they are my go to now days.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 09:44 PM

View Postcharlie brown, on 30 July 2017 - 08:43 PM, said:

Yeah, IF (BIG IF) I got another Les Paul, it too, would have to have P-90's and a "Gold Top!" [thumbup] [biggrin]
But, I'll wait for a Tradtional, or Classic version. I simply cannot justify, at my station in life, spending
6 Grand+, on a CS "True Historic" '52-56 version, regardless of how "Awesome" they are. [unsure] [tongue]

CB


That's the exact Les Paul I'll get if I get another one. I really like the circa 2013 Traditional goldtop with P-90s. I haven't seen a decent bargain on one in a long time, though. They have a goldtop P-90 Tribute out now for $899, but its matte finish, no binding, rough grain, and you can cut a steak with the fret ends.
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Posted 30 July 2017 - 10:27 PM

Les Pauls are "home" to me. I always wanted one, played Teles & stratlike guitars until I found a used Les Paul only slightly out of my price range... I managed to buy that guitar, then another, & another... & another.

But I also like other guitars as well. For a while I played mostly Mockingbirds. I've got a '78 & '79 Deluxe. They're thin bodies like the SG, with great upper fret access. I also have a couple made recently with the Les Paul controls.

I also have a cou0le of Teles, a couple of Strats, & I recently bought a couple of PRSi... used S2 Standard 24 & a Standard McCarty.

But the Les Paul is still home.
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 02:23 AM

Personal 'take' on the Les Paul question....which many guitarists ask quite often.....Posted Image

Back in the early days of solid electrics....say late 40's early 50's.....a paper trace was taken of a Gibson archtop.....

This formed the basis for what became the Les Paul

Personal preference is for a hollow archtop or maybe a 335 at a stretch.....:blink:

No doubt the Les Paul has been the tool of choice for some iconic musics of several genres.....[thumbup]

My first decent solid electric was an SG which proved to be a fine workhorse

IMO the Les Paul became greater in image and cachet for the young players after Slash, Wylde, Rhoads et al.....

Amps like Marshall have become subconsciously optimised for the Les Paul

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 03:13 AM

I think I know what you mean, CB. My guitar collection is far more modest than most of you. I have a total of four guitars: 1) Les Paul, 1) SG, 1) Strat and 1) nice acoustic/electric. I've played on and off since I was 12 but for the past 15 years I've been playing regularly. After I bought my LP used about 7 years ago, I couldn't put it down and my Strat stayed in its case. I'm 64 now and have a rare nerve disease that makes my arms weak so I went on a search for a new guitar. It had to be lighter and easier for me to handle so, long story short, I bought an SG Standard. I love that guitar. It has the same pups and scale as my LP but with a lighter, thinner, contoured Strat-ish body. Perfect! Now I can't put my SG down and I wish I had tried one sooner. It's a great guitar. Posted Image
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 04:26 AM

Hey CB,, it's the opposite for me.

I like the idea of the SG, and I have two - one has p90s which is a different animal while the other 490r/498t but for my ears, it doesn't do what my LP standards (2 of those too) do..

Just my preference, LPs are #1 in my book. -- while yer book is bound to be different cuz you wrote it..
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:21 AM

ye gads.

( you're using the words Les Paul as a euphemism for sex, right CB. You oldsters! [laugh] )
we had longer ways to go, but no matter, the road is life.

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:54 AM

I played Flying V's for over 30 years before getting my first Les Paul. I had always wanted one but could never afford one until recently. My new Les Paul Standard is my "go to" guitar lately and has been since February. I love them all and I still play the Flying V's as well and it's like meeting up with an old friend and picking up where we left off. I'm very pleased with both of my Les Pauls, both the Standard and P90 Goldtop Tribute. They were definitely worth the wait. But, I also love my Flying V's and won't ever get rid of them.

I'd like to have a Strat and a Telecaster, just to have them. My four Gibsons will get more play than a Strat or Tele but those would be my version of just having them to have them. I had a Strat once and an SG and I liked them but didn't love them. My friend had a 1961 Les Paul, which looked like an SG. It was really cool to be able to play it.
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:57 AM

View Postcharlie brown, on 30 July 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

...Do any of you have similar feelings, regarding the normal "Les Paul" models, even if it's not regarding SG's,
or even other Gibson guitars. Maybe you prefer a Strat or Tele...

Not any more, CB.

Apart from a particularly brief fling with an awful mid-Norlin LP Custom in the early '80s I played Strats almost exclusively until c. 2008. For the next few years I played LPs almost exclusively. Now I play both types and each has its moments and primary purposes. I've never owned an SG and possibly never will. I find my LPs do everything I need from a 'bucker equipped guitar.

View PostAllenjason95, on 30 July 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

...I think those Danelectro Longhorn basses......are ugly as sin but I heard that John Entwistle recorded the bass for My Generation on one...

According to John Entwistle himself he eventually used an early-'60s 'L'-series Fender Jazz (#L89716 to be specific) on 'My Generation' but he did own a number of Danelectro basses - both 4-string and 6-string examples;

"Eventually, after recording three different versions of 'My Generation' I ended up with three Danelectros - all with broken strings! The strings were extremely thin and were irreplaceable. I decided that enough was enough and sold all three Danelectros and the Gretsch to buy a sunburst Jazz Bass. The final version of 'My Generation' was played on the Jazz with La Bella tape wound strings..."

(This info taken from J.E.'s book 'Bass Culture; The John Entwistle Bass Collection').

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 08:00 AM

Has anybody given the ES Les Paul a good try? This might be a good option for us aging rockers. Not cheap, but a light alternative with the same neck feel possibly.
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 08:20 AM

When I got my 7.2 lbs 2003 CS-356 new almost 15 years ago it killed off my LP gas almost entirely. Light, versatile, comfortable, all the horsepower need. :)
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 10:55 AM

I did (recently) get out my Les Paul Classic Custom (Gold Top), and that was FUN! [biggrin]
But, the SG's are just so light, lovely, and have such access, they're hard to beat, IMHO.
Still, I DO love my Les Paul's. Can't really see selling or trading them. At least, not
in the foreseeable future.

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