JuanCarlosVejar Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Folks, Has anyone noticed that "Pure" acoustic models are becoming rare in the montana lineup? Everything now comes with a pickup and if I weren't left handed (I work mostly by special order) this would bother me because I like my guitars with no electronics ...Is anyone else "bothered" by this? JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Has anyone noticed that "Pure" acoustic models are becoming rare in the montana lineup? Everything now comes with a pickup and if I weren't left handed (I work mostly by special order) this would bother me because I like my guitars with no electronics ...Is anyone else "bothered" by this? I don't know much about the montana lineup, but electrification seems to be a general trend, certainly visible in the newer cutaway masterbilts, for example. The various new electronics available apparently make it cost effective to offer systems that have minimal effect on the acoustic sound if you don't want to plug in.... But then, I like running my acoustics through an amp. I've been thinking about putting some pickup system in my RAVS, which is remarkably tonal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Riding the trend like a surfboard has been an approach of the Gibson people for a very long time - sometimes to good advantage/sometimes not, depending on your point of view. Given the option, I'd prefer pure acoustic at purchase. Add electronics to your requirements aftermarket if you need 'em. Not everyone needs 'em, but there's a "cool factor" that applies here - in terms of marketing - and people looking to appear "cool" spend money. No disrespect intended to anyone who gigs currently, as you're the folks who have the honest need to plug in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbpicker Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I absolutely agree. I resent paying for factory electronics that I may or may not ever use. Also, I prefer non-traditional pickups (I.e. K & K) over stock factory setups. The idea of "stage-ready appeals to many folks, apparently...just not my thing. Rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I dont like Pickups in acoustics.. If i want one.. I usually use a old D armond clip in the sound hole style.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 No use for them. If I were to buy a new acoustic and had the choice of 'no pickup', that would be my choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozz Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I have definitely noticed that non-pick up models are becoming a rarity. If given a choice, I would buy guitars without electronics every time. Four of the last eight guitars I've purchased came with pickups that I didn't particularly want or need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I would prefer no pickup fitted and then add my own as I don't like undersaddle pickups . And the Gibson ones aren't exactly fantastic are they Factory fitted pickups in line with the quality of the instrument would be good . Baggs anthems or amulets or even a good old k&k , Your jaguar car won't come with cheap tyres to keep the price down Makes plenty of sense that a guitar comes stage ready but no sense that it's a half arsed pickup fitted to what they reckon are the best guitars in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The marketing “brilliance" of Gibson was the cause for some amusement back when this was being discussed here on the forum with respect to the True Vintage series; how to have us pay more for less- less finish (the thin, micro-sanded VOS finish), yellowed binding, aged-looking tuners, no electronics, etc. Just like the player who digs a bit deeper into his pockets to get an old J-45 rather than buying a new one made to sound older, the person who seeks a guitar with no UST between the saddle and the bridge or nothing glued to the bridge plate, wants to know that they’re getting as much pure, authentic acoustic tone as the guitar can give them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinder Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I'm not sure why Gibson insist on this either. I think it's convenient if casual players want a grab-and-go electro setup for occasional gigs, but I don't know many pro pickers who use stock pickups, most people have preferences and change stuff immediately. Having said that, Billy Bragg, who I'm tour manager and guitar tech for at the moment, uses a 2013 black nut J45 Standard which is absolutely bone stock, Baggs Element, 13-56 80/20s tuned down a full step. We run it into a PADI which smooths out the pickup a lot and it suits Billy really well. Sounds great when he plays it but doesn't suit my style at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1496994717[/url]' post='1860931']I'm not sure why Gibson insist on this either. I think it's convenient if casual players want a grab-and-go electro setup for occasional gigs, but I don't know many pro pickers who use stock pickups, most people have preferences and change stuff immediately. Having said that, Billy Bragg, who I'm tour manager and guitar tech for at the moment, uses a 2013 black nut J45 Standard which is absolutely bone stock, Baggs Element, 13-56 80/20s tuned down a full step. We run it into a PADI which smooths out the pickup a lot and it suits Billy really well. Sounds great when he plays it but doesn't suit my style at all. JC... I wish electronics were always optional. I don't think I have ever liked "what came with" my guitars, if anything did. I notice your same trend. I ordered a guitar from Martin three months ago which has no electronics. If I want to invade it, I will. Or not. Jinder, I love Billy Bragg. What's he like in person? I've seen his political commercials even here in the states. Very cool that this is one of the hats you wear. I am always amazed at the diversity of life and trade on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinder Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 JC... I wish electronics were always optional. I don't think I have ever liked "what came with" my guitars, if anything did. I notice your same trend. I ordered a guitar from Martin three months ago which has no electronics. If I want to invade it, I will. Or not. Jinder, I love Billy Bragg. What's he like in person? I've seen his political commercials even here in the states. Very cool that this is one of the hats you wear. I am always amazed at the diversity of life and trade on this forum. Billy's a terrific guy! I can't speak highly enough of him. I'm in my fourth year of TM/Tech work with him and he's a really good guy to work for. He's a great performer and a fascinating person-he's quite the musicologist which makes for very interesting chat on the bus, I've learned a lot from him over the last few years. It's a relatively straightforward TM job with BB as he's very experienced and doesn't need any "babysitting" like some of the younger acts I've worked with. No need for guns and bail money!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Having said that, Billy Bragg, who I'm tour manager and guitar tech for at the moment, uses a 2013 black nut J45 Standard which is absolutely bone stock, Baggs Element, 13-56 80/20s tuned down a full step. We run it into a PADI which smooths out the pickup a lot and it suits Billy really well. Sounds great when he plays it but doesn't suit my style at all. I just watched his Tiny Desk concert, and I'm assuming that's the J-45 standard he's playing there. It's direct-mic'd for that concert, but it is a recording set-up rather than a live performance one, which is a real difference. I know nothing about the Tiny Desk room, but it doesn't seem to hold much more than a dozen people or so, since it appears to be only an "incidental" performance venue. What's that strap he is using? It attaches to the headstock behind the nut, and looks to have a quick-release clip. Looks pretty practical. And by the way, I really like his stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 No, Im not bothered by it. But you can blame bloody Taylor for this practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I just watched his Tiny Desk concert, and I'm assuming that's the J-45 standard he's playing there. It's direct-mic'd for that concert, but it is a recording set-up rather than a live performance one, which is a real difference. I know nothing about the Tiny Desk room, but it doesn't seem to hold much more than a dozen people or so, since it appears to be only an "incidental" performance venue. What's that strap he is using? It attaches to the headstock behind the nut, and looks to have a quick-release clip. Looks pretty practical. And by the way, I really like his stuff. http://www.hotroxuk.com/planet-waves-acoustic-quick-release-system.html?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=organic&gclid=CMLu-PPhsNQCFYYcGwodmbgFHw One of these nick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 http://www.hotroxuk.com/planet-waves-acoustic-quick-release-system.html?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=organic&gclid=CMLu-PPhsNQCFYYcGwodmbgFHw One of these nick ? I believe it is. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 No, Im not bothered by it. But you can blame bloody Taylor for this practice. Really?? One of my other guitars is a Taylor GS Series Jumbo I bought in 2005. Guess what it came with........... no pickup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Taks were I think the first to have a standard pickup model.. Probably one of the best pickup designs. never owned one.. never will.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuestionMark Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 No, Im not bothered by it. But you can blame bloody Taylor for this practice. You are correct on this. Years ago I went to a number of Taylor workshops (they all incredibly bashed Gibson, except Doyle Dykes who at one basically flat out said despite pressure from Taylor, he refused to bash Gibson guitars, saying despite working for Taylor at the time, that he really liked Gibsons)...and I heard Taylor reps repeatedly tell the audiences that from that point on they were not going to focus on anything any longer except how to internally mic an acoustic guitar because how manufacturers internally mic acoustic guitars was the future of acoustic guitars. And, that was when all other guitar manufacturers only focused on how sole acoustic guitars sounded, not mic'ing them. Everyone else began playing catch up years later. Problem is, of course, is Taylors now sound quite good through their internal mic'ing, but still sound sterile and not descript acoustically. (Disclaimer. No offense to Taylor owners...but, this is a Gibson forum.) QM aka Jazzman Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Billy's a terrific guy! I can't speak highly enough of him. I'm in my fourth year of TM/Tech work with him and he's a really good guy to work for. He's a great performer and a fascinating person-he's quite the musicologist which makes for very interesting chat on the bus, I've learned a lot from him over the last few years. It's a relatively straightforward TM job with BB as he's very experienced and doesn't need any "babysitting" like some of the younger acts I've worked with. No need for guns and bail money!! Love this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly campbell Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Since I never plug in I really do not have any issues with the electronics in a acoustic guitar. The cost is really nothing to get me too worked up about when you are spending a couple thousand one to two hundred dollars is a non factor. I will say that when there is an option I will choose no electronics but I do not let it make my decision of to buy or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Love this 👍🏻 The wilco Bragg albums are a joy Strange amalgamation but it worked Mermaid avenue to the uninitiated Sal your taste in music is almost as good as mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I don't like the trend, but it really makes no difference as I don't see a new Gibson anywhere in my future. I had the luthier remove the pickup from my 2008 J-50 when he did an initial setup (I still have all the parts in a plastic bag). I also have a DeArmond vintage pickup that I really like, however it seems more at home in my 1965 J-50. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozz Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not everyone needs 'em, but there's a "cool factor" that applies here - in terms of marketing - and people looking to appear "cool" spend money. People that spend money are people that generally have money. People that spend money to look "cool" are generally people that don't have money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Thanks to everyone. I respect Taylors , Paul Mccartney owns a Koa model and Tony Iommi owns various T5's and acoustic models (two lefties I admire) Taylors have their own sound but in my opinion can't compete in acoustic tone with Gibson or Martin. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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