badbluesplayer Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Murph said: Welcome to socialism. I missed the part that was socialism. The free market part? Big money types owning and running manufacturing businesses cause they have too much cash to mind their own business? This problem is as far from socialism as you can get. Ten percent of you guys want anarchy and the other ninety percent want what they tell you to want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, badbluesplayer said: I missed the part that was socialism. The free market part? Big money types owning and running manufacturing businesses cause they have too much cash to mind their own business? This problem is as far from socialism as you can get. Ten percent of you guys want anarchy and the other ninety percent want what they tell you to want. !LOL! I think we should stick to *****in about the price increases and leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, badbluesplayer said: I missed the part that was socialism. When you keep printing money to give goods and services to people who don't actually earn them it creates inflation. Prices on goods and services go up, as the value of money goes down. You truly don't understand this? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, 'Scales said: Private equity company KKR (the owners of Gibson) would be giggling if they ever bothered to visit here. Those 90 year old investment bankers have no need to come to a guitar website. All they want is their money back, and a nap and their depends changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Those 90 year old investment bankers have no need to come to a guitar website. All they want is their money back, and a nap and their depends changed. No, I meant giggling at the idea that they might ever be considered part of a socialist establishment...they sure ain't that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, 'Scales said: No, I meant giggling at the idea that they might ever be considered part of a socialist establishment...they sure ain't that. They are as Capitalist as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Yep. And the only way to keep up with inflation is to raise prices as the value of money continues to fall. I sold a house in Mesa, Az. in the 80's for 40K that sold a few years ago for 230K. It's 40 years older. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 To go along with our roads and libraries and public schools and subsidies to farmers, Gibson will soon be announcing the Les Proletariat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, Murph said: Yep. And the only way to keep up with inflation is to raise prices as the value of money continues to fall. I sold a house in Mesa, Az. in the 80's for 40K that sold a few years ago for 230K. It's 40 years older. So people want to sell stuff for more than they got it for if they can? This is new to me. I always leap on the first highest priced used guitar I can find. That way I know I got a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 You missed the point. As usual. The house was worth 40K in 1980. A new Mustang was 19K in 1980. Because the dollar is losing value, the same house is worth 230K and a new Mustang is 55K. It's not greed. It's inflation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Murph said: You missed the point. As usual. The house was worth 40K in 1980. A new Mustang was 19K in 1980. Because the dollar is losing value, the same house is worth 230K and a new Mustang is 55K. It's not greed. It's inflation. average wage circa 1980 was about 14 K or less..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Murph said: You missed the point. As usual. The house was worth 40K in 1980. A new Mustang was 19K in 1980. Because the dollar is losing value, the same house is worth 230K and a new Mustang is 55K. It's not greed. It's inflation. And now they are not. Its called - The way it goes. Edited September 20, 2023 by Sgt. Pepper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 How many hours of your time working is required to purchase X is the thing. Over the years some things cost less hours of your labour and some cost more. Now with people living to such old age a challenge arises...people still need things/services but many are perhaps not working for maybe 30 years? Difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Epiphone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinch Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, merciful-evans said: Epiphone Frets are hit and miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pinch said: Frets are hit and miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 One factor not mentioned - the evil, greedy capitalists, once they get all the money they know they can use, want something more elusive: Power and Control. Those feed the money-inflated ego like steroids. Sort of like the law of diminishing returns. After you have five beachfront mansions - OK, ten - you are sated. Ten Ferraris? Build onto the garage...? Nope. You still feel a need for 'more', but not more money or 'worldly goods'. So, Power and Control rush in to fill the vacuum. That suggests 'freedom' needs to be eliminated. OR, re-defined for that 90% BBPlayer mentioned. And, the only two ways to curtail freedom are with a gun or a pen. I disagree, btw, with that '90%. I'd guess it's only around 50% of the population (I'm thinking USA, wouldn't presume to understand other countries with different histories, cultures and values). But the scary part is - 50% or 90% - it doesn't matter. Because the 2 choices we are given every November - neither seems to have worked. "Will my team get to 51% this go-round?" Doesn't matter. It's almost like we're being played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10PoundLester Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 9/19/2023 at 3:58 PM, Narwhal6 said: . . . Glad I got mine before it became a midlife crisis thing for the affluent. . . . Me too. I managed to acquire all my bucket list guitars but one - a Gretch Chet Atkins Model - but I can live without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, fortyearspickn said: One factor not mentioned - the evil, greedy capitalists, once they get all the money they know they can use, want something more elusive: Power and Control. Your exactly right. Why is Nacy Pelosi doing that job in DC for $xxxk. She and her husband own 4 houses in California (4), and I am sure none of them are small. They are worth over 100 million. So money for her is nothing. Its the power she had or still has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 It doesn't bother them that Hunter didn't pay his "Fair Share". Ever notice that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Just now, Murph said: It doesn't bother them that Hunter didn't pay his "Fair Share". Ever notice that? It only does when they wear the other uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Al Capone didn't pay his fair share - and got sent to Alcatraz. Special 'uniform'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvi Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 were the people mentioned above guitar players or just a hijack ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 8 hours ago, 10PoundLester said: Me too. I managed to acquire all my bucket list guitars but one - a Gretch Chet Atkins Model - but I can live without it. I had one but when I downsized, I opted to keep the Gibson version. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepdog1969 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 14 hours ago, merciful-evans said: Epiphone You said it brother! Love my brand new one (2023 ES-335 Trad Pro). and it cost less than $600. (With case, just over $700). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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