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Huh !!!!!!!!! I just dinged an expensive Les Paul !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it was polyed, it may not have dinged......But, hey, nitro works for me just fine........

 

I dunno.......I have many satin, polyed, faded, and nitroed guitars...........

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Huh !!!!!!!!! I just dinged an expensive Les Paul !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it was polyed, it may not have dinged......But, hey, nitro works for me just fine........

 

I dunno.......I have many satin, polyed, faded, and nitroed guitars...........

Do the Satin ones clean up or do they stay fingerprinted?

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Nitro is a crap finish. In fact it's the crappiest. It fades and cracks just sitting in the corner. It chips and digs easy and does a crap job of protecting the guitar. It does not "breath" or any of the other marketing BS we want to believe. Despite our superstitions the finish on a solid body electric guitar does not effect it's tone at all.

 

My favorite finish is Tru Oil.

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Nitro... does not "breath" or any of the other marketing BS we want to believe.

 

Nitrocellulose does not "breathe," but rather, it does not form a film. It has a very high melt point, film formation temperature, and glass transition temperature, all meaning that it is very hard- hard to the point of brittle. By not forming a film, it allows air and moisture to move through it easily. In theory, if it does not form a film, it should not significantly restrict vibration. It would be like putting marbles on a vibrating surface as opposed to covering it with a blanket. But as Searcy said, and IMHO, it does not significantly change a guitar's sound.

 

About the only thing NC is good for is protecting the paint and coating the wood. NC also is very resistant to most solvents, but has some solubility in ester solvents (acetates found in finger nail polish and remover), some alcohols, and ketones. It also is somewhat resistant to aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons (like mineral oil, naphthas in lighter fluid, paraffins, and gasoline). It is interesting that milod had his Off experience; take note giggers who play outside! I'll have to look up its ingredients.

 

Polyurethanes are softer, and because they cross-link, they form a more durable film that has much better overall resistance properties. I'm betting that the new finish that PRS has (that rocketman mentioned) is a vinyl type of resin which is chemically similar to acrylic. Both vinyls and acrylics are very versatile in that they can be formulated hard or soft, and both have similar solubilities to NC, however, they can also be formulated to cross-link like polyurethanes, only using a different mechanism.

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I will say I don't like satin finishes, they pick up fingerprints and smudges like mad. But I hear you can polish them to a shiny finish. Could be urban legend, though.

I have a very cheap Squier Tele with a satin-finished neck - both front and rear. After a while it started to gloss-up at the rear and the finish is wearing off from the front of the board and rear of the neck in much the same manner as seen on those early Fender maple 'boards/necks.

 

I don't like poly-coated maple boards and I don't like satin finishes; but this one's getting more to my liking the more it gets played. But it doesn't get played much.

 

I'm sure that if I spent enough time with a very mild-acting cutting compound I could speed-up this natural transition towards gloss-finish type smoothness.

 

P.

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Sorry, I didn't read all the posts, I have an early, afternoon gig today.

 

I don't think there is a difference between nitro and poly in the sound of an electric guitar. After all, the pickups are magnetic, not microphonic.

 

So it becomes a matter of user preference.

 

For me, my Epiphone Casino feels better in my hands than my ES-330. Plus the nitro finish of the 1970 ES is checked (like all old guitars). I don't know if the poly will hold up better, I'll let you know in 30 or so years.

 

By black poly ESP/LTD is a bear to keep clean. It shows every speck of dust or fingerprint. I don't think I'll ever get another high-gloss black guitar.

 

My Parker DF has a matte finish, which I am enjoying very much. I don't know if it's poly or lacquer or anything else, but it feels good, doesn't show fingerprints, and is easy to maintain.

 

Perhaps it would be to Gibson's advantage to offer guitars in both finishes. I don't know.

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I never even gave a thought or care as to what type of lacquer was on my guitars until I joined the Epi forum in 2008 [confused]

 

 

Same here, I didn't worry about such things until I joined the Gibson Forum and started interacting with all the snobs :D

 

 

Sometimes I just think we have a tendency to second guess ourselves for no reason...[confused]

 

Agreed. Well, for no valid reason. :) Sometimes I wish I could go back to the time when the 15W Samick 1x6 combo and the cheapest epiphone gave me Slashtone. :rolleyes: Life was easier and I spent more time playing, I also was very very happy with the sound of that combo.

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Often, finishes referred to as polyurethane are actually polyester, although I don't know what the differences are.

 

Chemically, polyester and polyurethane resins can be similar, and it is my understanding that polyester resin is also cross-linked using catalysts. Polyester resins are very versatile also and can be formulated a variety of ways. Bayer is a manufacturer of both resin types and they promote their urethanes as developing better resistance properties (resistance to solvents and impact) which makes them more durable.

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It's all crap. Nobody ever returned a record because they didn't like the sounds of the <fill in the blank> finished guitars.

 

And of course Paul Reed will come up with the New Messiah Of Guitar Paint. How else will he continue to sell yet another copy of other peoples' guitar ideas?

 

rct

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Poly finished bodies and satin finished necks are the best!

That's what I've got goin on my Tele and it's so awesome! How do you like the finish on the post 2008 American standard Fenders? I love it. The neck on my Tele is shiny on the fretboard and headstock but satin on the back. Like really smooth satin and then the body is just regular shinyness.

 

I think nitro feels a little better but poly is definately way more durable. Like Duane I don't care much.

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That's what I've got goin on my Tele and it's so awesome! How do you like the finish on the post 2008 American standard Fenders? I love it. The neck on my Tele is shiny on the fretboard and headstock but satin on the back. Like really smooth satin and then the body is just regular shinyness.

 

I think nitro feels a little better but poly is definately way more durable. Like Duane I don't care much.

 

Yeah I just love satin necks, and I think poly bodies work fine, very protective

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At the risk of getting thrown out of here by our Twilight loving mod I'll say sometimes I wish Gibson made guitars with poly finish.

 

With the guitars I have that have that finish, I can play with no worries but with nitro finished guitars I always worry something's gonna happen. Is it just me or do poly finished guitars look like they could withstand a lot more punishment? I treat my guitars right and care for them, try not to hit them with anything but you know things happen and with nitro finished guitars I always worry a little too much.

 

Also, the shiny finish on a nitro-guitar doesn't last as much, or does it? And it never is as shiny as a poly finish.

 

 

 

Discus

 

in all honesty, i just play the bloody things...

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It's all crap. Nobody ever returned a record because they didn't like the sounds of the <fill in the blank> finished guitars.

 

And of course Paul Reed will come up with the New Messiah Of Guitar Paint. How else will he continue to sell yet another copy of other peoples' guitar ideas?

 

rct

You realize some of us are Performers, not the typical listening audience. And while Sound is important, look is important, too. That's why it's called a Show and why it's on a Stage. Otherwise the band would just set up in the basement and run sound into the club.....hmm, interesting idea for a venue.

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You realize some of us are Performers, not the typical listening audience. And while Sound is important, look is important, too. That's why it's called a Show and why it's on a Stage. Otherwise the band would just set up in the basement and run sound into the club.....hmm, interesting idea for a venue.

 

Sure. But the paint, no matter what anyone tells you, has nothing to do with how your guitar sounds. That was the point of my post. No one has ever walked out of thousands of shows I've done or ever asked for their ticket money or cover back because of the finish on my guitars either. And while I've been fired for reasons most of you aren't old enough to hear without an adult present, I've never been fired because the paint on my guitars made them sound wrong.

 

I love a pretty guitar much as the next guy.

 

rct

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