Retired Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 13 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: I beat guitars up for free. Message me and I'll send you my address and of course you pay shipping both ways and I'll trash your new guitar for you for nothing. I do it all from light play wear to, dragged it behind a car for a mile, to the Full Monty of the Pete Townshend experience, of this guitars life is over relic-ing. Results may vary. On the clip it says 09/03/2021. How did that guy go to the future and get a guitar and bring it back to today and make a video. Haha, thats right! Yeah, I don't get it either? They screw up a finish and charge you more for it. Fast food places took away good meat and put in what they called slime and charged a lot more for it? I see kids and women walking around in new jeans with holes all over them that look like their ready to go to the trash and people pay $100.00 for them. I told Deb I should have kept all my worn out holy bib overalls with welding burns and holes all over them and sold them for over a hundred bucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Retired said: Haha, thats right! Yeah, I don't get it either? They screw up a finish and charge you more for it. Fast food places took away good meat and put in what they called slime and charged a lot more for it? I see kids and women walking around in new jeans with holes all over them that look like their ready to go to the trash and people pay $100.00 for them. I told Deb I should have kept all my worn out holy bib overalls with welding burns and holes all over them and sold them for over a hundred bucks. Yeah its the stupidest thing on the planet, and then you always get that one guy that says "well they wouldn't make em if they didn't sell'. That is some good logic. Well you ain't selling it to me. Didn't P T Barnum have a famous saying about one being born every minute? I'm not that guy. And none of your friends are gonna believe you just bought a real '59 LP. Edited March 11, 2021 by Sgt. Pepper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 16 hours ago, SteveFord said: Give me metric hardware any day of the week, I hated working on Hardley Abelsons, I had to buy a whole new set of tools and try to guess what size that stuff was. Errr, big? The older British bikes, of course, would throw in a couple of different types of hardware just because that's what they did. It's enough to make you want to drag a Les Paul down the sidewalk in a downpour and then sell it at a premium. In the aircraft industry we had the constantly swap between imperial & metric. I punched the 25.4 conversion factor into my calculator for 37 years. The longest lasting Imperial size I can think of the the 1/4" BSW screw thread (you can get away with 1/4" 20 UNC) used for camera tripods. We probably would have had to abandon imperial 30 years ago if it wasn't for Americans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, merciful-evans said: We probably would have had to abandon imperial 30 years ago if it wasn't for Americans. yer welcome!!!!!! 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Pepper Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 hours ago, kidblast said: yer welcome!!!!!! 🙂 Didn't we win . . . that little scuffle called the American Revolution or was the the other guys. I live just a few miles from where Cornwallis had to surrender his sword, I used to drive past it 5 days a week when I was stationed in Yorktown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 13 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said: Didn't we win . . . that little scuffle called the American Revolution or was the the other guys. I live just a few miles from where Cornwallis had to surrender his sword, I used to drive past it 5 days a week when I was stationed in Yorktown. Yes. And as a follow up, then got your @ss kicked by the Canadians when you tried to 'liberate' them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I keep US and Metric sockets, just in case. My crescent wrenches work on both, as it turns out. Here are the prices I found for the Murphy Lab jobbies. I don't know what regular Gibson Custom Shop guitars go for, so I can say whether these are higher or lower. They seem to range from $4,200 to $10,500. https://www.gibson.com/Guitars/Collection/the-gibson-murphy-lab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Who could be expected to survive the onslaught of a wave of Canadians all hopped up on Labatt's Ale armed with hockey sticks like modern day insurrectionists? North Koreans, maybe, but not us, where's the remote? 59 335 GC scratch n dent quality $5799 59 335 dumpster find $9299 I can't make up my mind and that stimulus check is burning a hole in my pocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NighthawkChris Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) To the point of buying relics, but used... better prices and you deal with someone else's fu**ery. Dings, scratches, etc at a discount because you know how bad people are hurting for money these days... Screw buying a $7k reissue that was put in Gibsons freezer and razor bladed “strategically”... You know the guys relicing these guitars probably laugh hysterically when they make these haha! They’re like, “Can you believe someone’s gonna buy this s*** for more than I make in a month!” Then they continue to take the sanding belt to that beautiful base finish on some beautiful flamed maple... Edited March 12, 2021 by NighthawkChris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Dorky R9 owner here 😛 I watched the first 4 minutes or so of the video and honestly the guitars look impressive. I think if you’re into the relic type thing this is the most realistic I’ve seen. There is clearly no belt sander going on the finish Personally I don’t even like the VOS finish and would never buy something like this. I like to buy a guitar that looks shiny and immaculate. I’m not saying I’m interested in one of these but it looks well done for what it is.. when I saw the relic case I actually laughed out loud. The case is the worst part of my R9 and it looks like they made it even more ridiculous. I also laughed when the guy hit the headstock on the case when he put the guitar in. I do that every single time with that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NighthawkChris Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dub-T-123 said: Dorky R9 owner here 😛 I watched the first 4 minutes or so of the video and honestly the guitars look impressive. I think if you’re into the relic type thing this is the most realistic I’ve seen. There is clearly no belt sander going on the finish Personally I don’t even like the VOS finish and would never buy something like this. I like to buy a guitar that looks shiny and immaculate. I’m not saying I’m interested in one of these but it looks well done for what it is.. when I saw the relic case I actually laughed out loud. The case is the worst part of my R9 and it looks like they made it even more ridiculous. I also laughed when the guy hit the headstock on the case when he put the guitar in. I do that every single time with that case OK, maybe not a belt sander, but clearly parts of the guitar where they wear away finish to the bare wood - and clearly noticeable dings on various locations (heavy aged especially). This is a relic... I see TONS of these now on Reverb and you pay a few K more for this labor to relic. Belt sander, whatever, there is finish missing around the headstock edges, worn finish on the backs of these guitars, etc. Chemicals... what then I wonder... It is mechanically wearing down a finish prematurely. I'm with you on the immaculate guitar bit though. That's my flavor of new guitar. Always has been, always will. I own 2 R9s, 2 R7s and a 68RI. Love their Historics, but none are Gibson issued relics. The VOS is typically the way these Historics come but the finishes are perfect on these with some crap on the HW to make it look old. You can even polish that crap out if you so choose. And with you on the cases. They aren't as protective as they could be IMHO. This is why I have a dedicated non-Gibson case to transport to wherever when the need arises. Edited March 12, 2021 by NighthawkChris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Look how dry the finger boards look. Even now with their 'better than a real 59' attitude. They do nothing to the board. They say they roll them. I bet they discuss the price and roll about laughing . How much is a bit of lemon oil? £10k UK is a shock. I'd want Tom to deliver it on a red carpet for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NighthawkChris Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Mur-fee lab guitars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 My company sells custom cabinets at a price that is very comparable to Gibson Custom if not relatively higher. Based on my experience in the high end custom cabinet business I think Gibson Custom’s prices are reasonable considering their costs and the fact that they are a business who need to make a profit.. These guitars aren’t for everyone. Complaining about the price tag is as silly as complaining about the price tag of a Rolls Royce or something. It has four wheels and says “vroom vroom” but it isn’t a Honda and shouldn’t cost the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPguitarman Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Don't like 'em, don't care. I would never buy a damaged guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karloff Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 where do they find the "old growth" wood for these latest '59 clones ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NighthawkChris Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 33 minutes ago, Dub-T-123 said: My company sells custom cabinets at a price that is very comparable to Gibson Custom if not relatively higher. Based on my experience in the high end custom cabinet business I think Gibson Custom’s prices are reasonable considering their costs and the fact that they are a business who need to make a profit.. These guitars aren’t for everyone. Complaining about the price tag is as silly as complaining about the price tag of a Rolls Royce or something. It has four wheels and says “vroom vroom” but it isn’t a Honda and shouldn’t cost the same Yup and if anyone has seen what they do to relic these guitars it takes more time and such. Labor is usually the most expensive part of any business typically... But as I have said, not my thing and I like poking fun at them. I’m in the camp where I understand the cost but I’m saying that I just don’t have it in me to muster up the dough for one. It wouldn’t be worth it to me in other words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I've seen relic'd Strats that are awful - they actually do look like belt sander jobs in some cases. Gibson branded guitars generally seem to not look as bad - but then they also go to such effort to have nice transparent burst paintjobs that it seems counterproductive to relic the Gibson brands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsongs Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 For that kind of money I’d buy Vintage..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 14 hours ago, ghost_of_fl said: Do you have to go back in history more than 2 centuries to find an example of Canadians kicking anyone's @ss? 🤭 of course not. These ones are 20th Century. Thanks for asking 🙂 Battle of Kitcheners' Wood (during the Second Battle of Ypres) Battle of Flers-Courcelette Capture of the Regina Trench during the Somme Offensive (1916) Battle of Vimy Ridge during the 1917 Battle of Arras Battle of Passchendaele Second Battle of Passchendaele Battle of Amiens (1918) Battle of Cambrai (1918) Allied Invasion of Italy Juno Beach Battle for Caen Falaise Pocket Battle of Verrières Ridge Battle of the St. Lawrence Battle of Ortona Operation Fusilade Battle of the Rhineland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 43 minutes ago, ghost_of_fl said: Ah yes the Battle of the Rhineland - wherein the great Canadian commander Dwight D Eisenhower led his hosers to victory. 😆 Low self esteem causing you to lash out at people you don't know lately? You need some advice you probably don't want to hear. Like my father used to say, "What the He[[ is the matter with you?" 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 3/11/2021 at 1:22 AM, Sgt. Pepper said: Yeah its the stupidest thing on the planet, and then you always get that one guy that says "well they wouldn't make em if they didn't sell'. That is some good logic. Well you ain't selling it to me. Didn't P T Barnum have a famous saying about one being born every minute? I'm not that guy. And none of your friends are gonna believe you just bought a real '59 LP. I agree. O boy, I caught some sort of head cold from the wife & it's knocked me out for a few days coughing. Nights are much worse with no sleep blowing the nose and it constantly running. Finally I gave in and prayed last night with all my heart & soul asking the good Lord to heal me and get me over this. I felt much better today. So I thought I never play the Gibson Gold Top much at all. Guess I want it to stay perfect, no scratches or anything to happen to it. But I might as well play it since I'm not getting any younger so first time I did a total setup on it. I played it before to get an idea what it sounded like and then started with the truss rod. first time I ever adjusted it. It took 2 turns 1/8" perfect. I had put on some Earnie Ball Slinky M-Steel 10-46 strings on it and removed the 9's that were on it. After doing the string height, intonation and pickup height, The rear one was way off. I checked tuning again and played it. Is it possible for a guitar to sound louder after a setup? I swear it sounds louder with all the same settings on the guitar & amp and has more sustain than before. I've learned so much from some folks here that I would never attempt to do what I do now with a guitar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 3/11/2021 at 1:22 AM, Sgt. Pepper said: Yeah its the stupidest thing on the planet, and then you always get that one guy that says "well they wouldn't make em if they didn't sell'. That is some good logic. Well you ain't selling it to me. Didn't P T Barnum have a famous saying about one being born every minute? I'm not that guy. And none of your friends are gonna believe you just bought a real '59 LP. I seriously considered several times on buying an Ventures Mosrite guitar, The banged up finish and chips with paint cracks wasn't what bothered me because they are played and date back to the 60's, and can be bought at reasonable prices but the frets worn down and all need replaced was the issue for what they wanted for them. Maybe some day the right one may come my way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Retired said: Is it possible for a guitar to sound louder after a setup? I swear it sounds louder with all the same settings on the guitar & amp and has more sustain than before. I've learned so much from some folks here that I would never attempt to do what I do now with a guitar. Yes. Heavier strings are inherently a little louder than lighter ones I believe. Something about output being proportional to the square of the diameter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I was thinking how embarrassing this whole fake old guitar thing is and if I owned the company I'd shut it that department down and try to pretend it never happened and then I spied the bit about how they feature chemically-recreated plastics. I must admit the error of my ways. Take my 10 Gs and make me happy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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